1
00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:21,840
[Music]

2
00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:41,930
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

3
00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,450
ride into the world of the paranoid

4
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:47,730
strap yourself in as we traverse the

5
00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:52,010
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

6
00:01:00,619 --> 00:00:56,460
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

7
00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:00,629
as well as other dimensions it's time to

8
00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:05,129
take back the night last night now your

9
00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:07,380
electrifying hosts of exploring the

10
00:01:14,999 --> 00:01:08,280
bizarre

11
00:01:21,850 --> 00:01:18,279
here kitty kitty here kitty kitty kitty

12
00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:21,860
kitty kitty here kitty kitty oh yeah

13
00:01:31,809 --> 00:01:28,159
whoo that tiger yeah that tiger

14
00:01:34,660 --> 00:01:31,819
it's a cryptid Thursday nights on

15
00:01:38,499 --> 00:01:34,670
exploring the bizarre Tim yeah well I I

16
00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:38,509
know I'm out here roaming the the fields

17
00:01:45,699 --> 00:01:41,750
and I'm hoping that I catch sight is a

18
00:01:47,679 --> 00:01:45,709
big [\h__\h] any time now I mean I hear

19
00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:47,689
they're just they're running a wild in

20
00:01:57,460 --> 00:01:52,369
certain parts of the country you know I

21
00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:57,470
I actually saw a a giant cat did I ever

22
00:02:01,690 --> 00:01:58,399
tell you this story

23
00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:01,700
no I don't think yeah well I don't think

24
00:02:06,809 --> 00:02:03,590
I've ever told anybody this story I mean

25
00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:06,819
not on the air certainly back in the

26
00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:09,440
1970s I couldn't give you an exact year

27
00:02:17,559 --> 00:02:11,810
but I would think that it was around 75

28
00:02:21,970 --> 00:02:17,569
or 76 I was working for Larry Flynt and

29
00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:21,980
hustler magazine and I was fairly good a

30
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:23,840
friend since I was turning out the

31
00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:27,170
interviews and all fairly good friends

32
00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:30,769
with the the editor of the magazine who

33
00:02:35,379 --> 00:02:33,680
lived in a rural area somewhere outside

34
00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:35,389
of Cincinnati I couldn't tell you

35
00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:36,769
exactly wherever the magazine was

36
00:02:41,309 --> 00:02:38,480
published in Cincinnati and so I was

37
00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:41,319
through she lived there I had gone to

38
00:02:49,259 --> 00:02:45,049
the area basically well to hang out with

39
00:02:51,940 --> 00:02:49,269
her for a few good days and to

40
00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:51,950
investigate a case where a UFO had

41
00:02:59,440 --> 00:02:56,470
landed in a farmers a corn field and his

42
00:03:01,809 --> 00:02:59,450
aggressive loz a grandson had seen this

43
00:03:04,569 --> 00:03:01,819
thing seen this object it was on like

44
00:03:06,849 --> 00:03:04,579
tripod landing gear and it's smack that

45
00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:06,859
you had the corn down I guess it was I

46
00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:09,230
wouldn't call it a crop circle but if it

47
00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:10,489
were it was one of the earlier

48
00:03:14,050 --> 00:03:13,010
formations and and so I went out into

49
00:03:16,569 --> 00:03:14,060
the area and I did a little

50
00:03:18,009 --> 00:03:16,579
investigation and I found out that other

51
00:03:21,819 --> 00:03:18,019
people that had sightings there were

52
00:03:24,729 --> 00:03:21,829
some Bigfoot's kind of interloping in

53
00:03:27,610 --> 00:03:24,739
the neighborhood as well but I was

54
00:03:31,449 --> 00:03:27,620
staying at this lady's house

55
00:03:32,710 --> 00:03:31,459
and had a pull-out couch that I was

56
00:03:34,809 --> 00:03:32,720
sleeping on in the front

57
00:03:40,030 --> 00:03:34,819
I guess the living room and it

58
00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:40,040
overlooked a really a large window and

59
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:43,340
she lived to the in the country and it

60
00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:46,010
was very green and very plush well

61
00:03:53,140 --> 00:03:50,329
anyway I woke up one morning fairly

62
00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:53,150
early and happened to look out the

63
00:03:58,809 --> 00:03:57,260
window and it was it was misty is the

64
00:04:01,720 --> 00:03:58,819
best way that I could describe it and

65
00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:01,730
there on the lawn kind of crouching down

66
00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:05,090
but seemingly staring at me was this a

67
00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:09,980
cat of unusual proportions now if you

68
00:04:18,909 --> 00:04:15,769
ask me how large the cat was okay how

69
00:04:22,570 --> 00:04:18,919
are the cat how large was the cat - well

70
00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:22,580
the cat was pretty damn large but I

71
00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:24,410
couldn't I really couldn't tell you

72
00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:27,430
because I don't know how to measure a

73
00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:31,310
cat I mean then it looked big and you

74
00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:32,750
know and I thought about it for a while

75
00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:35,270
I don't think big cats were not

76
00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:37,910
particularly popular at the time I I

77
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:40,370
think they had had some sightings in

78
00:04:45,339 --> 00:04:43,610
England and all but the these Diamond

79
00:04:48,219 --> 00:04:45,349
Dogs and the big cats didn't wander over

80
00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:48,229
here or didn't start to get some

81
00:04:53,350 --> 00:04:51,800
publicity till the years later so I saw

82
00:04:56,529 --> 00:04:53,360
this thing and I mentioned it to the gal

83
00:05:00,250 --> 00:04:56,539
there and I asked her her name was Karen

84
00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:00,260
if she had ever seen anything out of the

85
00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:04,550
unusual and she said no she couldn't you

86
00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:04,910
know

87
00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:09,590
recall and anyway the the the miss there

88
00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:12,110
are far kind of crept over the cat and

89
00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:15,470
didn't see it any longer and that's my

90
00:05:24,159 --> 00:05:17,919
encrypted this story of the of the day

91
00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:24,169
what color was it a black cat yeah okay

92
00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:26,510
there's nothing like a big nothing like

93
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:29,750
a big black cat to set your day of

94
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:32,690
fencing and dashing and whatever you do

95
00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:34,970
with a with a giant cat I don't know it

96
00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:38,030
was certainly it was unusual but I've

97
00:05:41,530 --> 00:05:40,610
had a few unusual experiences in my and

98
00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:41,540
and

99
00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:44,180
time but I never thought I'd see a giant

100
00:05:49,330 --> 00:05:47,330
cat and you know going back to this yeah

101
00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:49,340
you know I can't tell you if I couldn't

102
00:05:52,750 --> 00:05:50,840
swear on and all I know is that it

103
00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:52,760
looked unusual and it struck me as

104
00:05:58,390 --> 00:05:55,910
peculiar at the time but we're gonna

105
00:06:01,300 --> 00:05:58,400
delve deeper into the subject tonight

106
00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:01,310
aren't we Tim oh yes definitely and you

107
00:06:08,770 --> 00:06:06,140
know this alien Black Cats ABCs you know

108
00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:08,780
that that's been something that I know

109
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:13,520
I've learned my ABCs right well you know

110
00:06:18,370 --> 00:06:16,010
this this is something that that I've

111
00:06:20,830 --> 00:06:18,380
been fascinated with for a long time

112
00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:20,840
because you know as as with a lot of

113
00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:24,490
other things in in Indiana there's been

114
00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:28,480
quite a bit of history when it comes to

115
00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:33,970
these these of key lines of unusual size

116
00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:38,000
they on the eastern part of a state

117
00:06:46,810 --> 00:06:41,240
around a town called a Richmond as far

118
00:06:50,950 --> 00:06:46,820
back as the 1940s there was a multiple

119
00:06:54,670 --> 00:06:50,960
sightings of what people claimed to be

120
00:06:57,130 --> 00:06:54,680
like an African lion they said it had

121
00:06:58,420 --> 00:06:57,140
had a mane and and everything I mean and

122
00:07:00,280 --> 00:06:58,430
this was it just you know a couple

123
00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:00,290
people I mean this this was something

124
00:07:06,250 --> 00:07:03,110
that was seen by a number of you know

125
00:07:08,110 --> 00:07:06,260
like people both close to the city

126
00:07:10,540 --> 00:07:08,120
limits of Richmond and then in you know

127
00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:10,550
the surrounding countryside you know

128
00:07:18,670 --> 00:07:14,690
here in I live in southwestern Indiana

129
00:07:22,990 --> 00:07:18,680
and even though you know the state

130
00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:23,000
wildlife officials say that Cougars are

131
00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:24,800
mountain lions have been extinct in this

132
00:07:32,380 --> 00:07:29,690
state for for many many years they have

133
00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:32,390
been seen here and in fact there was

134
00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:35,120
there was one that was a couple of years

135
00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:40,370
ago was photographed with a game camera

136
00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:42,830
now you know we're not talking about

137
00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:47,620
a black cat this one was a regular

138
00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:50,810
mountain lion but they are here now when

139
00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:53,210
it comes to black cats though I've

140
00:07:58,690 --> 00:07:54,800
talked to a number of people in this

141
00:08:02,850 --> 00:07:58,700
area who have seen and they describe

142
00:08:05,710 --> 00:08:02,860
them as black panthers and you know they

143
00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:05,720
don't realize most people and talk to

144
00:08:14,380 --> 00:08:07,850
that you know they're you're talking

145
00:08:18,220 --> 00:08:14,390
about a a melanistic Jaguar and as far

146
00:08:20,290 --> 00:08:18,230
as I know that mountain lions don't

147
00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:20,300
usually have those kinds of

148
00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:22,880
characteristics but people are seeing

149
00:08:28,780 --> 00:08:26,120
them well there you go well yeah you

150
00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:28,790
know enough said on our part I believe

151
00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:32,570
why don't you tell everybody who's going

152
00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:34,340
to be on tonight then we're going to be

153
00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:36,950
chatting up about some really

154
00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:40,250
fascinating topics all right well when

155
00:08:45,490 --> 00:08:42,650
it comes to the subject of big black

156
00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:45,500
cats we first have with us tonight

157
00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:47,150
Michael maze now Michael has

158
00:08:53,650 --> 00:08:50,030
investigated sightings of both out of

159
00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:53,660
place known animals and those that may

160
00:08:59,380 --> 00:08:56,690
or may not exist and he's been doing

161
00:09:01,120 --> 00:08:59,390
this for over 15 years now Michael has

162
00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:01,130
appeared on numerous podcast radio

163
00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:03,830
programs and on the television showed

164
00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:06,680
the low files on the A&E Network

165
00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:09,950
Michael blogs at that Texas cryptid

166
00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:12,290
hunter and his author of The Illustrated

167
00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:16,010
children's book Patti a sasquatch story

168
00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:19,190
and he's recently published a nonfiction

169
00:09:25,210 --> 00:09:22,100
fiction book called shadow cats the

170
00:09:27,730 --> 00:09:25,220
Black Panthers of North America and he's

171
00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:27,740
also a sitting board member for the

172
00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:31,250
North American wood ape conservation so

173
00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:33,530
and with us tonight

174
00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:36,920
returning to exploring the bizarre is

175
00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:40,220
Seth Breedlove now Seth is an Ohio

176
00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:41,690
filmmaker who has written edited

177
00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:43,550
produced and directed shorts and

178
00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:45,890
features about a variety of topics but

179
00:09:50,260 --> 00:09:48,380
his intestinal hmm excuse me best known

180
00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:50,270
for his production company small town

181
00:09:57,809 --> 00:09:55,870
monsters now in 1919 and 20 year 2013

182
00:10:00,150 --> 00:09:57,819
Seth began working on the concept for a

183
00:10:02,189 --> 00:10:00,160
series entitled small town monsters and

184
00:10:04,889 --> 00:10:02,199
in generally set out to capture two

185
00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:04,899
accounts from tiny community communities

186
00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:07,269
often forgotten by the large media

187
00:10:13,710 --> 00:10:09,790
outlets and from the era 1960's and

188
00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:13,720
1970's of high intensity monster

189
00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:17,769
encounters now his most recent film and

190
00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:19,870
the one that we're gonna be talking

191
00:10:26,819 --> 00:10:22,600
about tonight is the soon to be released

192
00:10:29,369 --> 00:10:26,829
the flatwoods monster a legacy of fear

193
00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:29,379
so Seth Michael thank you very much for

194
00:10:32,939 --> 00:10:30,160
being with us tonight

195
00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:32,949
on exploring the bizarre well you know I

196
00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:34,809
I think this is where we're just going

197
00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:38,079
to jump right in into this Michael you

198
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:41,680
know even for a cryptozoologist studying

199
00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:44,970
the pattern of big cats is pretty damn

200
00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:48,670
unusual what say you as far as your your

201
00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:52,120
background in the in the field and how

202
00:11:00,900 --> 00:10:55,050
in God's name did you decide to

203
00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:00,910
concentrate on on big cats well I guess

204
00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:03,490
you know I'm I'm in my early 50s I grew

205
00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:05,439
up in kind of a golden age of monsters

206
00:11:12,119 --> 00:11:08,199
and you know their loved ones all the

207
00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:12,129
classic movies and TV shows wrong as I

208
00:11:20,129 --> 00:11:14,860
was an impressionable kid growing up the

209
00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:20,139
The Legend of Boggy Creek to Saturday

210
00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:21,610
morning kind of stuff the Six Million

211
00:11:25,049 --> 00:11:23,410
Dollar Man when Bigfoot was on the Six

212
00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:25,059
Million Dollar Man I think I was hooked

213
00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:30,220
you know for life when it comes to the

214
00:11:38,369 --> 00:11:35,620
large black cast Black Panthers it's it

215
00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:38,379
came much later I grew up in East Texas

216
00:11:44,309 --> 00:11:41,230
and a lot of people think Texas is just

217
00:11:46,110 --> 00:11:44,319
one big desert like to say and see in

218
00:11:49,019 --> 00:11:46,120
the Western movie that's just not the

219
00:11:51,019 --> 00:11:49,029
case it's the eastern half is is very

220
00:11:54,689 --> 00:11:51,029
heavily wooded gets a lot of rainfall

221
00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:54,699
lots of rivers and creeks and one of the

222
00:12:00,419 --> 00:11:57,490
animals that people saw on the bottoms

223
00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:00,429
and and and in the woods was were these

224
00:12:06,179 --> 00:12:03,970
big black cats wrong tails and they were

225
00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:06,189
just called you know Black Panthers now

226
00:12:12,590 --> 00:12:08,880
they differentiated between

227
00:12:14,749 --> 00:12:12,600
the Black Panthers and you know bobcats

228
00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:14,759
and and mountain lions and the other

229
00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:16,649
everybody knew the difference there was

230
00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:18,660
a different term for each one of them so

231
00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:20,730
when somebody said Panther they were

232
00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:24,180
talking about a black cat well I was

233
00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:27,389
well into my 30s before I realized that

234
00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:30,089
science did not recognize the existence

235
00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:32,370
of such an animal and I just you know I

236
00:12:36,110 --> 00:12:33,769
just couldn't believe it

237
00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:36,120
because down there is just they're not

238
00:12:40,090 --> 00:12:37,800
common by any means but they're not

239
00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:40,100
anything that people think is anything

240
00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:42,690
too unusual they're just another animal

241
00:12:49,579 --> 00:12:46,009
that lives out in the woods and so I

242
00:12:53,379 --> 00:12:49,589
began looking into it and I had started

243
00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:53,389
the the Texas cryptid hunter blog

244
00:12:59,480 --> 00:12:57,569
talking about very various topics and to

245
00:13:01,400 --> 00:12:59,490
myself I'd one day I did a post on the

246
00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:01,410
Black Panthers of Texas and I thinks

247
00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:03,990
what it was called and the response was

248
00:13:09,889 --> 00:13:07,560
overwhelming and just my inbox just

249
00:13:12,910 --> 00:13:09,899
became flooded with people who's you

250
00:13:15,319 --> 00:13:12,920
know gave me sighting reports and and

251
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:15,329
historical accounts and all this kind of

252
00:13:21,019 --> 00:13:18,240
stuff and it came much to my surprise to

253
00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:21,029
be the number one topic on the blog I

254
00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:23,790
really thought you know wood ape

255
00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:26,130
Sasquatch type stuff would be the thing

256
00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:29,220
most people wanted to talk about the

257
00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:31,740
Black Panthers like you guys said you

258
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:33,360
know that's kind of built something on

259
00:13:38,179 --> 00:13:35,970
the back burner for cryptozoology and

260
00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:38,189
but it became far and away the most

261
00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:40,290
popular topic and I just began to

262
00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:43,649
collect reports and that ultimately led

263
00:13:48,170 --> 00:13:45,720
me to doing the book and and just has

264
00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:48,180
really turned my interest up a notch or

265
00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:52,920
two in the topic so now when you're

266
00:13:58,699 --> 00:13:56,220
looking at these cases of the Black

267
00:14:01,100 --> 00:13:58,709
Panthers and and you know either you

268
00:14:03,139 --> 00:14:01,110
made a very good point there about

269
00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:03,149
saying that you know the the locals for

270
00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:06,120
years you know they've they're familiar

271
00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:11,100
with Bobcats and and Cougars and but

272
00:14:15,949 --> 00:14:14,339
also the the the Black Panthers now you

273
00:14:17,449 --> 00:14:15,959
know here in the Midwest it's kind of

274
00:14:20,990 --> 00:14:17,459
the same thing people will see these

275
00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:21,000
things and even though you know the

276
00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:21,980
wildlife official

277
00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:24,830
say well there's no such thing people

278
00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:27,320
are seeing them and I mean you know you

279
00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:29,210
talk to grandparents and

280
00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:30,650
great-grandparents everybody

281
00:14:35,650 --> 00:14:32,930
acknowledges that yeah you know we see

282
00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:35,660
these things so why what's what's so

283
00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:38,890
weird about it so what is so weird about

284
00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:43,070
seeing Black Panthers here in the United

285
00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:46,760
States well simply there's not supposed

286
00:14:52,990 --> 00:14:51,410
to be any such animal alive on our part

287
00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:53,000
of the North American continent that

288
00:14:58,630 --> 00:14:55,540
matches this description that we have

289
00:15:00,640 --> 00:14:58,640
you know mountain lions or natives they

290
00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:00,650
have the widest distribution of any wild

291
00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:03,260
cat in the world they go from Canada to

292
00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:05,090
Patagonia down at the tip of South

293
00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:09,620
America but they're not black science

294
00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:11,570
tells us they do not carry the genetic

295
00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:13,970
traits for melanism to even be a

296
00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:17,320
possibility so if that's the case there

297
00:15:24,430 --> 00:15:22,220
they're out as a suspect so Jaguars are

298
00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:24,440
were native to North America at one time

299
00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:27,230
and covered much of the continent and

300
00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:30,410
they do have the genetic traits not to

301
00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:31,190
be black

302
00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:33,470
however it's thought that they've been

303
00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:36,530
extirpated hunted out gone from North

304
00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:39,170
America at least our portion of it some

305
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:41,570
their small populations in Mexico and

306
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:44,240
they begin to get a little thicker as

307
00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:46,130
far as numbers when you get down to

308
00:15:51,610 --> 00:15:48,400
Central America and into South America

309
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:51,620
but it's thought that they don't inhabit

310
00:15:57,130 --> 00:15:53,930
our you know the United States and

311
00:15:59,740 --> 00:15:57,140
that's changing a little bit there have

312
00:16:02,110 --> 00:15:59,750
been some sightings that have been

313
00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:02,120
verified out in Arizona like a couple of

314
00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:04,040
male Jaguars over the last ten years or

315
00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:08,060
so but as far as a breeding population

316
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,110
of any kind of cat of any size that can

317
00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:14,720
be black it's just not thought that

318
00:16:24,130 --> 00:16:17,390
there are any here and that's what makes

319
00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:24,140
it so unusual so when it when it comes

320
00:16:33,940 --> 00:16:31,700
then to Black Panthers have worth it

321
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:33,950
were there substantial populations in

322
00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:35,810
you know what would now be

323
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:38,330
you know North America with in recorded

324
00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:40,610
history I mean you know when the you

325
00:16:44,830 --> 00:16:42,350
know the first settlers started you know

326
00:16:48,430 --> 00:16:44,840
coming over from from England and Europe

327
00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:48,440
or were they gone even by then well you

328
00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:49,850
know depends on who you listen to

329
00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:52,670
certainly there are accounts from I

330
00:16:56,890 --> 00:16:54,080
guess what we would call the pioneer

331
00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:56,900
days you know as the frontier be the

332
00:17:02,680 --> 00:16:59,330
edge of the frontier began to creep

333
00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:02,690
westward and I've got several historical

334
00:17:10,569 --> 00:17:07,660
accounts that I've featured in the book

335
00:17:15,929 --> 00:17:10,579
some of a violent nature others of a

336
00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:15,939
more fleeting nature but going back

337
00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:18,680
1700s and in what's now North and South

338
00:17:23,620 --> 00:17:21,500
Carolina there there's a pretty

339
00:17:26,439 --> 00:17:23,630
well-documented report from from an

340
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:26,449
explorer there and did you go done it's

341
00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:28,730
the frontier again CREP south and west

342
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:32,420
you see accounts coming out of the

343
00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:34,010
Midwest you see them coming out of

344
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:38,710
what's now Arkansas Texas Louisiana and

345
00:17:45,070 --> 00:17:43,520
even well Laura Ingalls Wilder who's

346
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:45,080
famous for the Little House on the

347
00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:47,810
Prairie books in the first book she

348
00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:49,490
wrote it's called little house in the

349
00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:52,760
Big Woods and it's universally accepted

350
00:17:59,080 --> 00:17:55,220
that these are nonfiction books these

351
00:18:02,380 --> 00:17:59,090
are you know biographies these are her

352
00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:02,390
memories as a kid growing up in what in

353
00:18:06,730 --> 00:18:03,950
the area that's now Pepin you know

354
00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:06,740
Wisconsin and in her first book there's

355
00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:08,390
a chapter called Grandpa in the Black

356
00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:11,750
Panther which details are run in her

357
00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:15,380
grandfather had with the big black cat

358
00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:17,929
that that harassed him and chased him

359
00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:19,370
all the way back to the cabin from town

360
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:25,310
one night so these accounts do go back

361
00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:27,050
that's when they really start to show up

362
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:29,990
with the early settlers as far as going

363
00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:32,330
back farther than that it's hard to get

364
00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:35,420
a handle on that because for the most

365
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:40,070
part the Native Americans did not write

366
00:18:44,410 --> 00:18:42,410
things down their traditions were all of

367
00:18:46,570 --> 00:18:44,420
them you know they pass things down

368
00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:46,580
orally throughout history be a

369
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:48,350
storyteller how many

370
00:18:53,650 --> 00:18:51,650
oh when you say large cats how many

371
00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:53,660
pounds are we talking about here and

372
00:19:00,010 --> 00:18:57,160
would they be larger than your normal

373
00:19:03,159 --> 00:19:00,020
Panther say in a zoo I mean are we

374
00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:03,169
talking about something of gigantic

375
00:19:10,539 --> 00:19:07,160
proportions I mean is is this something

376
00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:10,549
that we could say is I mean do you think

377
00:19:14,169 --> 00:19:12,260
that all these things are physical or is

378
00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:14,179
there super not anything Supernatural

379
00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:19,820
about them I haven't seen or heard any

380
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,110
account that would lead me to believe

381
00:19:26,649 --> 00:19:22,720
they're anything other than a

382
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:26,659
flesh-and-blood creature none of them

383
00:19:31,149 --> 00:19:28,760
have you know just went poof and

384
00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:31,159
vanished or or anything of that you know

385
00:19:38,169 --> 00:19:33,470
nothing that would be outside the realm

386
00:19:40,690 --> 00:19:38,179
of what a cat could do as so I believe

387
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:40,700
they're flesh-and-blood animals what

388
00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:43,370
they are you know that that's what's up

389
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:46,190
in the air a little bit the sizes range

390
00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:52,370
from you know that 40 50 pound range up

391
00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:54,380
to some claims of seeing cat they said

392
00:20:00,610 --> 00:19:56,200
had to have weighed close to 200 pounds

393
00:20:03,460 --> 00:20:00,620
so you're talking about at the very

394
00:20:08,350 --> 00:20:03,470
least mountain lion sized animals on the

395
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:08,360
upper end possibly Jaguar sized animals

396
00:20:13,299 --> 00:20:11,090
on the upper end as you know Jags are

397
00:20:13,899 --> 00:20:13,309
big Hardy cats at the third largest cat

398
00:20:16,779 --> 00:20:13,909
in the world

399
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:16,789
and they're they're very robust animals

400
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:20,890
so some of these accounts do feature

401
00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:25,490
really big cats some are smaller but I

402
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:27,260
guess what you could call about Bobcat

403
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:30,890
sized in that forty pound range but what

404
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:32,980
is their what is their disposition

405
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:36,620
varies most of the sightings are very

406
00:20:40,419 --> 00:20:38,570
fleeting in nature you know an animal

407
00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:40,429
crossing the road in front of your

408
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,260
vehicle as you're going down a country

409
00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:45,679
road somewhere others are hunters in a

410
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:48,440
stand that get a look at one from a

411
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:51,970
distance while they're out deer hunting

412
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,090
you have there are a few accounts that

413
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:57,440
have been a little more aggressive in

414
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:02,240
nature than that but so it's kind of

415
00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:04,010
like any form of Wildlife you know if

416
00:21:08,290 --> 00:21:06,710
you imagine a bear some bear bears just

417
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:08,300
kind of meander off when you see them

418
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,850
and some get a little bit of an attitude

419
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:13,520
with you so it's it just depends on the

420
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:17,510
individuals and and circumstances I

421
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:21,050
suppose so I'll you know you were

422
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:23,090
talking earlier about the some of these

423
00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:27,490
older stories like Laura Ingalls Wilder

424
00:21:32,290 --> 00:21:29,540
settlers talking about running into

425
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:32,300
Black Panthers but wildlife officials

426
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:36,530
would probably just deny deny deny that

427
00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:40,880
there was ever any of these animals in

428
00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:43,820
North America they weren't correct yes

429
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:46,220
and no they might concede that yes

430
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:49,130
Jaguars were once dispersed across the

431
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:53,210
continent and they can be black so they

432
00:22:00,660 --> 00:21:57,010
might admit that much but typically

433
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,670
you're right there they're going to

434
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:03,679
didn't either there's going to the two

435
00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:06,559
standard explanations you're usually

436
00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:08,990
given by wildlife folks is that it's a

437
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:11,990
case of mistaken identity understandable

438
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:13,940
to some degree because people really

439
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:16,370
have lost contact with wildlife as we've

440
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:18,890
gotten more urban I get emails almost

441
00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:20,570
weekly but somebody says I've got a

442
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:22,670
mountain lion photograph and it turns

443
00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:24,230
out to be a bobcat people just don't

444
00:22:30,490 --> 00:22:27,820
know that our wildlife anymore but

445
00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:30,500
either that or you'll you'll get the old

446
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:34,910
escaped or released pet theory from them

447
00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:38,330
so they're not going there they do not

448
00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:40,340
accept that there's any kind of a living

449
00:22:47,169 --> 00:22:42,740
species is out there breeding that could

450
00:22:52,210 --> 00:22:47,179
be responsible for these sightings ever

451
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:52,220
been the captured or shot well not to my

452
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:53,809
knowledge of course a lot of ranchers

453
00:22:59,799 --> 00:22:55,910
they feel like something is harassing

454
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,809
and wildlife down here in Texas there's

455
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,480
the 3 s's they go by and that's chute

456
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:05,120
shovel and shut up you know but you know

457
00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:07,850
so there's there's dense lamp I've heard

458
00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:12,260
some secondhand ports of that but to my

459
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:15,020
knowledge no one's ever taken one

460
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:19,350
mmm-hmm interesting well Tim we've were

461
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:21,510
at the close to our bottom of the hour

462
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:25,290
break here so when we go ahead and go to

463
00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:27,810
it and when we come back we will bring

464
00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:30,750
Seth into the conversation on exploring

465
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,610
now back to exploring the bazaars with

466
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:49,200
two of the most electrifying researchers

467
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:52,500
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

468
00:24:02,270 --> 00:23:59,720
the being on the hill emits a putrid

469
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:02,280
smell and is always preceded by an

470
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,610
acidic foggy mist which can burn flesh

471
00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:08,880
from bone if you're unlucky enough to

472
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,160
find yourself on the hill after dark

473
00:24:17,419 --> 00:24:13,740
you just might catch a glimpse of the

474
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:17,429
monster wandering the forest searching

475
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:21,600
the skies for the rest of its time it is

476
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:23,130
said that their return will spell the

477
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:26,610
end of flatwoods and the end of all

478
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:28,500
humanity

479
00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:31,510
and welcome back to exploring the bazaar

480
00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:34,360
we're talking tonight about big black

481
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:37,630
cats and other cryptid or weird

482
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:40,780
creatures so Tim let's bring a Seth into

483
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,260
the conversation because he made a film

484
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:46,960
that's subject that's kind of close to

485
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:50,500
your heart isn't it well I like monsters

486
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:52,450
I mean I don't know whether they like me

487
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:53,190
or not

488
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,570
there's just something that you know he

489
00:25:04,590 --> 00:24:58,240
has only as a snack Tim well you know I

490
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:04,600
grew up during the the the late 4012 50s

491
00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:07,240
let's say when when the monster movies

492
00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:08,830
like The Creature from the Black Lagoon

493
00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:13,000
and a couple of space monster movies and

494
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:16,540
then all were were released and I guess

495
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:17,110
it is

496
00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:19,210
they were chilling and even though they

497
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:21,100
were I think Bella Lugosi didn't he

498
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:23,650
fight a an octopus or some kind of

499
00:25:27,690 --> 00:25:25,570
monster that was just a big rubber dummy

500
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:27,700
or something right in the monster yes

501
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:30,700
yeah yeah okay so anyway I love that

502
00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:31,810
kind of stuff and you know I've made

503
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:34,150
we've made we've worked on some horror

504
00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:36,460
movies together is that my personality

505
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:41,860
of mr. creep oh and flatwoods monster

506
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:45,250
has always intrigued me I knew I would

507
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:48,610
see Sanderson he was one of the first on

508
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:52,450
the scene and my mentor to some degree

509
00:25:59,840 --> 00:25:55,870
in my first publisher was great Barker

510
00:26:02,460 --> 00:25:59,850
and the first issue of great Barker's

511
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:02,470
well it wasn't even mini a graft it was

512
00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:04,630
printed in purple ink which would have

513
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:07,300
been a Ditto machine and I had a copy of

514
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:11,320
this it was about 38 or 40 pages the

515
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,520
caesarian journal or cesarean bulletin

516
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,400
and the first issue was devoted to

517
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:20,950
Gray's investigation on the flatwoods

518
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:24,490
monster and it's been something that I

519
00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:28,450
followed all these years whenever I get

520
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:30,870
a little downtime I'll go in google

521
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:33,730
flatwoods and and see what the heck is

522
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:35,950
going on in that little community in

523
00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:39,700
West Virginia but Seth is the man here

524
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:42,340
and he knows all about flat

525
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,460
so why don't you start out by describing

526
00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:47,760
the incident we're talking about like

527
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:49,409
1952

528
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,360
playing football on a field I could I

529
00:27:02,669 --> 00:27:00,400
could almost I can feel myself slipping

530
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:02,679
into like Ivan T Sanderson's voice

531
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,230
because I heard him say those lines like

532
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:06,880
a hundred times now from editing this

533
00:27:11,370 --> 00:27:08,830
movie but there's five kids playing

534
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,380
football on this field in a little

535
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:14,320
valley as he would say in the village of

536
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:17,169
flatwoods West Virginia and they see an

537
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:20,440
object streaked across the sky that

538
00:27:25,289 --> 00:27:23,110
appears to be on fire and come to sort

539
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:25,299
of a controlled landing on top of a hill

540
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:28,409
near near where they're playing football

541
00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:32,080
they decide they're going to go up the

542
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,720
hill and investigate what is on top of

543
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:39,279
that you know what what actually came to

544
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,130
a landing so something to note and and

545
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,320
something that has actually come more to

546
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:46,240
my attention after finishing the movie

547
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:50,830
but most of the town saw this object go

548
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:52,450
overhead so it wasn't just like one or

549
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:54,370
two guys I've actually spoken to people

550
00:28:01,169 --> 00:27:58,450
from the town that that saw the objects

551
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:01,179
as well so so most what why don't we

552
00:28:07,289 --> 00:28:05,080
describe a little bit about the town

553
00:28:10,529 --> 00:28:07,299
itself I mean it's a very rural

554
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:10,539
community if you live in New York here

555
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:12,700
like I do you can't imagine flatwoods I

556
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:17,770
mean yeah it's like in 1952 we're

557
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:20,950
talking about Boone evil I mean way way

558
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:23,260
out and uh what would be the largest

559
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,330
city well I mean flowers itself is

560
00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:30,159
something like seven or eight hundred

561
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,820
people and then the nearest bigger town

562
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:35,679
would be Sutton which is about four and

563
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:38,200
a half five miles down the road and then

564
00:28:43,649 --> 00:28:40,450
other than that the closest major city

565
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:43,659
is going to be Charleston which is you

566
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:45,970
know maybe about 45 minutes away so so

567
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:48,130
it's it's definitely a small sort of

568
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:50,200
rural community it does sit right off of

569
00:28:55,529 --> 00:28:53,080
the highway so it you know there is a

570
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:55,539
major major expressway there

571
00:29:00,509 --> 00:28:58,090
but it is it's definitely one of the

572
00:29:02,639 --> 00:29:00,519
smaller places we've we've made you know

573
00:29:05,549 --> 00:29:02,649
one of our films and well I remember I

574
00:29:09,239 --> 00:29:05,559
would I drove down there with Jim Mosely

575
00:29:11,159 --> 00:29:09,249
and Barbara Hudson and I can't remember

576
00:29:14,129 --> 00:29:11,169
who else was in the caravan but we went

577
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,139
down the big grey Parker and we drove a

578
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:16,960
very rural area and over a couple of

579
00:29:24,869 --> 00:29:21,940
little covered bridges exactly where

580
00:29:27,719 --> 00:29:24,879
they were but the there there's all

581
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,729
sorts of little backroads around that

582
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:29,919
area that that wind around the country

583
00:29:36,539 --> 00:29:34,210
the countryside and and it's very it no

584
00:29:37,889 --> 00:29:36,549
matter where you are there unless you're

585
00:29:40,139 --> 00:29:37,899
on the expressway it feels like you

586
00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:40,149
stepped back in time about 50 years but

587
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,999
anyway these kids are you know they

588
00:29:47,339 --> 00:29:44,559
decide they're gonna go up the hill to

589
00:29:49,379 --> 00:29:47,349
investigate this object they saw land at

590
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,389
the top of the hills so they they head

591
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:51,309
up the hill and along the way they

592
00:29:56,849 --> 00:29:54,129
stopped at their house to the two of the

593
00:29:59,969 --> 00:29:56,859
kids house the MEI brothers ed and Fred

594
00:30:04,139 --> 00:29:59,979
Mae and at the house they pick up their

595
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,149
mother and a friend of theirs actually a

596
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,919
cousin who was there visiting named

597
00:30:11,899 --> 00:30:08,340
Jeanne lemon so there's now seven

598
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:11,909
individuals and they go up the hill and

599
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,769
there there's there's various versions

600
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:17,200
of the story from here on out and our

601
00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:19,479
movie attempts to sort of dissect that a

602
00:30:23,339 --> 00:30:21,519
little bit that how the story has sort

603
00:30:26,099 --> 00:30:23,349
of evolved and changed over time but the

604
00:30:28,469 --> 00:30:26,109
the classic telling of the story goes

605
00:30:30,899 --> 00:30:28,479
that they go up the hill and along the

606
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:30,909
way they encounter a strange sort of UFO

607
00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:33,129
object that's laying in this field

608
00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:36,099
there's a mist that's hovering in the

609
00:30:42,989 --> 00:30:40,929
air they they they have a dog with them

610
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:42,999
that dog goes into the mist and actually

611
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:45,700
becomes horribly ill runs off down the

612
00:30:51,779 --> 00:30:48,940
hills sort of crying and actually vomits

613
00:30:56,249 --> 00:30:51,789
and dies which we later and explained

614
00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:56,259
never actually happened yeah the they

615
00:31:00,029 --> 00:30:57,820
they go on up the hill and when they

616
00:31:04,379 --> 00:31:00,039
finally get to the top of the hill they

617
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:04,389
encounter this mechanical sort of being

618
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:06,909
or mechanical object that seems to be

619
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:09,130
hovering in the sky that they're in

620
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:11,590
err that actually kind of comes towards

621
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:13,240
them and when it does they turn and they

622
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,870
run down the hill and that is sort of

623
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:19,600
the classic encounter with the flatwoods

624
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:24,430
monster explained as 16:6 thankfully as

625
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:29,080
possible well now it was it was reported

626
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:30,690
as being what eight or nine feet tall

627
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:33,460
well it's it's it was reported as being

628
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:36,220
anywhere from 12 to 17 feet tall

629
00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:38,620
depending on what what newspaper you

630
00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:41,620
were looking at but the the the way the

631
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:44,500
maze will tell you in terms of height

632
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:46,390
they do think it was about 12 feet tall

633
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:48,850
and they they judge that because of the

634
00:31:53,610 --> 00:31:51,010
limb on the tree how tall the limb on

635
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:53,620
the tree was and where they were sort of

636
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:57,250
standing underneath that tree so I mean

637
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:00,610
it that that's always been what they

638
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:02,590
claim now where the newspapers get the

639
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:05,230
12 to 17 feet tall and that it breathed

640
00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:07,930
fire and all the other stuff that came

641
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:10,300
out afterwards is is anyone's guess but

642
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:13,060
this is I've never covered a story that

643
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:17,950
has sort of morphed into into an urban

644
00:32:28,830 --> 00:32:23,490
legend to the degree it is a true urban

645
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:28,840
legend and a bit of Americana that that

646
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:31,390
has continued you know grown in I guess

647
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:34,450
popularity I mean to this day otherwise

648
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:37,090
you wouldn't be doing a movie about it

649
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:39,670
now wasn't there report I guess one of

650
00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:43,120
the unique features about this well do

651
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:45,100
we know if it was a creature or a

652
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:49,900
mechanical device well the the witnesses

653
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:51,490
and it's weird because I you know I'm

654
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:53,380
extremely skeptical when I covered these

655
00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,630
stories very often I I come away from

656
00:32:59,370 --> 00:32:57,700
them feeling even more skeptical and

657
00:33:03,030 --> 00:32:59,380
this is the one story where I came away

658
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:03,040
from it saying I I 100 1000 percent

659
00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:04,810
believe every single thing that Edie and

660
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:06,280
Fred Mae said they encountered that

661
00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:09,430
night so their their description is that

662
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,380
what they encountered they don't know if

663
00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:14,080
there was anything living in this object

664
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:20,040
it was a hovering sort of missile shaped

665
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:22,680
object that Edie Mae

666
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,370
actually compared to a v2 rocket you

667
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:28,620
know so what they claim what ed and fred

668
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:30,660
may said they saw is nothing all that

669
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:33,510
out of the realm of possibility it's

670
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:38,010
it's sort of the additions to the story

671
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:41,340
that have come after the fact that that

672
00:33:45,170 --> 00:33:43,800
are typically connected to the the UFO

673
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:45,180
sightings that we're seeing over the

674
00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:48,270
u.s. that night that's when we start

675
00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:50,190
getting into theorizing on what this

676
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,230
thing might have been and that's when we

677
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:54,240
sort of start drifting into well maybe

678
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,070
you know maybe it was a scout or some

679
00:34:03,130 --> 00:33:59,340
sort of biological being I mean Fred may

680
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,140
does believe that there it was a sort of

681
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,240
almost a transportation device with

682
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:08,760
something or someone inside of it

683
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:11,250
controlling and and the reason he feels

684
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:13,530
that is that he thinks the what what

685
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:16,170
were perceived as eyes where were

686
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:19,980
actually portholes and you know that

687
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:21,270
there was there was actually someone

688
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,460
inside the the object sort of

689
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:25,980
controlling it but yeah I mean the Air

690
00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:27,690
Force explanation was that these were

691
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:31,620
this was an experimental rocket so

692
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:34,550
that's you know that it just depends on

693
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:37,110
who you want to believe or what theory

694
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:40,170
you want to go whose experimental rocket

695
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:43,110
I guess the Air Force is I mean that's

696
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:47,250
that's that's what was there taking you

697
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:51,600
off and landing in a certain western

698
00:34:59,420 --> 00:34:56,250
flowers yeah that's a it's the hop in

699
00:35:01,460 --> 00:34:59,430
place as we just fly I could I can see

700
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,470
how a rocket could take off certainly I

701
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:03,900
I you know I mean that kids in the

702
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:05,190
neighborhood had some pretty pretty

703
00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:07,470
Rockets you shoot him and they they land

704
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:10,950
on somebody's you know a house roof or

705
00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:13,230
something in you gotta call the the fire

706
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:15,800
department before it's too late

707
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:19,320
but they don't take off again I mean

708
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:20,610
there's something back in those days

709
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:23,820
it's not Cape Canaveral you know how you

710
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:25,320
gonna shoot it how you gonna shoot it

711
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,390
back up where did it where did it go to

712
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:30,180
so yeah and I mean you can't you cannot

713
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:31,950
tell the story of the flatwoods monster

714
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:33,630
without mentioning the fact that there

715
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:35,790
were other objects seen streaking over

716
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:36,330
the sky

717
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:40,350
oh yeah that's supposedly crash-landed

718
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:44,490
oh by the elk river right right actually

719
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:47,670
near Gassaway and Sutton West Virginia

720
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,330
just down the road in fact when when the

721
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:53,040
maze went back to their house and

722
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:56,550
telephoned the local police the police

723
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,710
were actually not at the station they

724
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:01,920
were out investigating a report of a

725
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,570
downed airplane near nearby which was

726
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:08,400
what the phone calls that originally

727
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,080
came in for the object that had crashed

728
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:12,420
near the Elk River where that was that

729
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:16,020
an airplane had crashed but they never

730
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:17,850
found any airplane there was nothing but

731
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:21,750
you know Airport you know you know Seth

732
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:25,080
if you funny or some of these groups

733
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,810
were on the ball they should be sending

734
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,720
a team of investigators out there now I

735
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:33,680
mean people still go and investigate the

736
00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:37,080
explosion in Tunguska trying to come up

737
00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:39,120
with an explanation but there could be

738
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:41,580
residue even after all these are years

739
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:44,130
in that area if somebody put a little

740
00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:48,120
bit of a muscle and elbow grease into

741
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:51,080
going out and trying to find out if

742
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:53,810
something might still be there right

743
00:37:00,110 --> 00:36:57,210
yeah I mean there's there's this this

744
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:00,120
whole story the actual the fact is it

745
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:02,730
happened in in 1952 the odds of us ever

746
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:05,030
knowing what happened are slim to none

747
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:07,350
but it's it's one of those ones that

748
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:13,290
always keep my curiosity well let's

749
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:15,240
let's look at it this way how many

750
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:17,430
murder case you want any of these crime

751
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:21,390
shows on on TV 30 years or 40 years

752
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:24,360
later they finally find the the

753
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:27,180
perpetrator sure but do you know do you

754
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:28,740
think we'll ever know what actually

755
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:30,630
happened at Roswell like it's the same

756
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:33,780
sort it's the same sort of scenario well

757
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,600
I know they're mummified and buried and

758
00:37:40,610 --> 00:37:39,440
the Pentagon basement and no I don't

759
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,620
know

760
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:43,020
well that one has been that one has been

761
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:44,790
convoluted though by so many different

762
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:47,970
two people adding on to it this one you

763
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:49,770
have a group of

764
00:37:56,090 --> 00:37:53,910
appear to be yes and Sara witnesses now

765
00:37:59,570 --> 00:37:56,100
they're all deceased accepted two

766
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:59,580
brothers yeah as far as we know there's

767
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:02,880
there's one other boy while he was a boy

768
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:05,010
at the time Ron shaver and and there's a

769
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,770
chance that Ron might still be alive we

770
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:10,020
couldn't track down his exact

771
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:13,410
whereabouts but as far as we know the

772
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,300
only way we the only two that we can

773
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:17,040
confirm are still living or ed and Fred

774
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,570
may yeah

775
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:20,400
and they they have to be up there what

776
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:24,870
in their 80s now Edie is in his late 70s

777
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:28,500
I think 78 and Fred is about 76 years

778
00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:31,590
old okay well they tell they tell a

779
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:33,600
credible let this story I mean they

780
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:35,610
don't they don't push it hey you know

781
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,120
you want to believe us that's fine if

782
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,640
you don't well you know go smoke a

783
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:43,500
corncob pipe somewhere that's that's

784
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:46,140
exactly I mean and his EADS never told

785
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:49,590
the story period in fact Fred when I

786
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:50,760
interviewed them

787
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,490
Fred's this was Fred's first time

788
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,920
hearing Edie even speak about the

789
00:39:00,020 --> 00:38:56,640
incident

790
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,030
so I'm managed to convince them to I

791
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,920
managed to convince both of them but

792
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:04,320
especially Edie come on camera despite

793
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:05,610
the fact he'd never talked about it

794
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:06,900
before and some of that had to do the

795
00:39:11,570 --> 00:39:09,570
fact that I had my dad with me and Edie

796
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:11,580
and my dad headed off pretty quickly so

797
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:14,100
I think I'd love my dad buttered him up

798
00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:18,300
for me have you found you've done how

799
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:21,390
many movies now Seth we just filmed a

800
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:24,570
Bray Road movie so that was our 7th all

801
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:26,610
right what flatwoods would be the sex

802
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:30,710
you got a real cottage industry going

803
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:36,480
there but okay so now you approach these

804
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:38,220
witnesses first you've got to do a

805
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:40,590
little research and find out who the

806
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:42,780
witnesses are I mean how do you go about

807
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:48,170
picking a case whatever appeals to me

808
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,790
because I'm gonna be I'm gonna be fully

809
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:53,520
invested in it for ya for four or five

810
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:55,380
months of my life this story I'd been

811
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,110
wanting to tell for for quite a while

812
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:01,140
and you mentioned the the runtime and

813
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,690
and and actually wanting it

814
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:05,160
a little longer originally this was

815
00:40:09,859 --> 00:40:07,710
supposed to be a 20-minute short film so

816
00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:09,869
I mean it's it expanded even beyond what

817
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,819
I would what I originally had planned

818
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:14,160
for it I just yeah this was a story I'd

819
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:16,470
always wanted to tell mostly because I'm

820
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:20,280
fascinated by how the the real events

821
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,890
that transpired have have changed so

822
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,599
much in the retelling of the story that

823
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:26,400
there's very little left of that

824
00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:29,010
original incident you know in the story

825
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,109
that gets passed around now so I wanted

826
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:32,400
to do something that was a little

827
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,230
different from our traditional films

828
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:37,680
that actually sort of explored the idea

829
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,130
of how a real event can become a myth

830
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:43,200
you know over time so this wasn't

831
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:46,609
necessarily some sort of in-depth

832
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:49,650
investigation into you know the actual

833
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:52,440
flatwoods monster case for some people

834
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,079
that that's an attraction from it but

835
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,960
for me this was more about exploring the

836
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,480
urban legends and that's working well

837
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:03,660
you do seem to take the the approach of

838
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:05,849
the original filmmaker like boggy creek

839
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:09,050
I guess that must have influenced you

840
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:11,609
how old were you when you you know when

841
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:13,530
you saw that the legend the bugs boggy

842
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,410
creek I mean I I saw The Legend of Boggy

843
00:41:20,809 --> 00:41:18,960
Creek when I made boggy creek monster a

844
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:20,819
couple of years ago because I'd never

845
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,710
seen I didn't grow up with The Legend of

846
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:25,680
Boggy Creek Sun Army I came to it much

847
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:29,730
later oh I saw I've seen that film so

848
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:32,339
many times in fact I used to make it

849
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:34,410
copies of my DVD copier

850
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:37,170
here and anybody who bought you know

851
00:41:41,809 --> 00:41:39,000
like a crypto a book from said throw it

852
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,819
in free in the in the in the package I

853
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,740
always I always found that to be a

854
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:46,500
rather intense movie I mean there were

855
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:48,839
other Bigfoot films and things like that

856
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:54,540
but they were you know some fake as an

857
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:56,970
independent film I'm actually a big fan

858
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:58,530
of it and I've become a big fan

859
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,540
especially in making and making our

860
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:03,060
movie so it's a you know it's something

861
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,550
that I appreciate obviously quite a bit

862
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:08,220
now but I do it's it's something that I

863
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:12,810
came to much later in life and how long

864
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:14,670
has flatwoods bit out now just a couple

865
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:17,190
of weeks or a month came out on

866
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:21,780
April 6th yeah came out April 6th do you

867
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:26,940
get any any feedback or I mean our

868
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,619
movies are pretty heavily viewed and

869
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,720
reviewed at this point so yeah we get

870
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:33,480
all kinds of positive and negative

871
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:37,740
feedback and and the the the fact is you

872
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:40,380
know I make a couple movies a year at

873
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:41,849
this point no one yet

874
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:45,270
critiques my our stuff is as rough as I

875
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:48,510
do so the amount of actual you know like

876
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,690
Amazon reviews that I'm reading are nil

877
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:53,940
but I don't know yeah I like to read you

878
00:42:59,140 --> 00:42:55,470
know like when when Loren Coleman

879
00:43:02,809 --> 00:42:59,150
reviews one of our movies and to read it

880
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,819
well how about have another okay having

881
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:04,980
seen your films I guess you you're

882
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:07,109
getting out there to the public anybody

883
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,390
come forward and say hey I was involved

884
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,300
in that well actually this is this is a

885
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:14,700
cool one with the flatwoods monster case

886
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:17,190
we were I was doing a screening here in

887
00:43:23,780 --> 00:43:21,210
wodsworth Ohio actually just two weeks

888
00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:23,790
ago and there was a little old lady

889
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:26,849
sitting in the front row and during the

890
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:29,910
Q&A she raised her hand and it turned

891
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,030
out that she was she was about 12 years

892
00:43:40,339 --> 00:43:36,450
old when the flatwoods monster was seen

893
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,349
and she was driving to church the night

894
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,180
that the object went across the sky and

895
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:44,160
she actually saw it for herself so she's

896
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:45,540
one of the people that I got to talk to

897
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:48,599
that actually was from flatwoods and saw

898
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,290
the object streak across the sky and now

899
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:55,140
okay so you have this sighting and

900
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:59,160
initial sighting of this creature or

901
00:44:03,859 --> 00:44:01,770
this machine device apparatus whatever

902
00:44:08,859 --> 00:44:03,869
you want to call it and and you had

903
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:08,869
other you had other reports both of UFOs

904
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:12,329
okay one object that landed that should

905
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:14,970
be more fully investigated but you also

906
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:19,319
had after this I know in this book that

907
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:22,740
we just did the UFO hostilities we have

908
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:25,740
a chapter in there about we mentioned

909
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,300
flatwoods in the terrible owner and how

910
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,400
the people got sick and I think in fact

911
00:44:33,289 --> 00:44:31,140
we use the cover of what are your video

912
00:44:35,959 --> 00:44:33,299
videos is an illustration or poster or

913
00:44:38,749 --> 00:44:35,969
something but there were other reports

914
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:38,759
apparently where around the Washington

915
00:44:44,029 --> 00:44:41,249
DC area and the rural West Virginia in

916
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:44,039
Virginia and all that kind of seemed to

917
00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:47,400
coincide them with this sighting where

918
00:44:52,969 --> 00:44:50,369
apparently the maybe the military set up

919
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:52,979
planes to try to intercept or or keep

920
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:56,400
tabs on these objects I I mean I've

921
00:45:00,559 --> 00:44:57,660
heard all that stuff

922
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:00,569
I haven't investigated it myself for the

923
00:45:07,489 --> 00:45:04,049
simple reason that a lot of the research

924
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:07,499
into that was done by one particular

925
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,339
researcher who who who threatened me

926
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:14,160
with a lawsuit if I used any of his

927
00:45:19,339 --> 00:45:16,650
research in our film so I just avoided

928
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:19,349
it entirely so I'm aware it's out there

929
00:45:25,789 --> 00:45:21,569
but but my actual reading into that

930
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:25,799
stuff is non-existent ok well that's

931
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:28,049
that's understandable but yeah

932
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:29,969
apparently that well of course now the

933
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:34,170
50s was a when it came to UFO sightings

934
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:37,650
in in general there were quite a number

935
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,099
that was probably Tim one to say the

936
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:42,900
year with the most the high intensity a

937
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,640
volume of UFO reports was 1952 mmm yeah

938
00:45:51,499 --> 00:45:49,920
for the 1950s at least I mean there's

939
00:45:55,009 --> 00:45:51,509
been there did some other times after

940
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,019
that but yeah the 1952 there's you know

941
00:46:00,459 --> 00:45:57,660
pretty much a kind of a wild west of

942
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:00,469
that he loved Oh sightings at that time

943
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:04,140
yeah and and we tried to sort of get

944
00:46:12,229 --> 00:46:09,150
into that very briefly but in a way that

945
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:12,239
was much more centered around West

946
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:14,940
Virginia so so in our film we do spend I

947
00:46:19,999 --> 00:46:16,349
think three or four minutes sort of on

948
00:46:22,249 --> 00:46:20,009
the the the number of UFO sightings that

949
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:22,259
were occurring particularly around the

950
00:46:29,539 --> 00:46:26,910
flatwoods and and Gassaway area well I

951
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:29,549
appreciate though that you were able to

952
00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:32,900
find those two gentlemen the witnesses

953
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:36,239
to that event because so many times with

954
00:46:42,499 --> 00:46:39,569
these these early stories you know all

955
00:46:44,229 --> 00:46:42,509
we have left is the uro recollections

956
00:46:46,809 --> 00:46:44,239
from newspaper articles or both

957
00:46:49,149 --> 00:46:46,819
and like you were attempting to do in

958
00:46:51,369 --> 00:46:49,159
the movie you know the story can

959
00:46:53,859 --> 00:46:51,379
sometimes just get so bent out of shape

960
00:46:56,829 --> 00:46:53,869
so it's great that you got these guys

961
00:46:58,809 --> 00:46:56,839
who are able to tell the story as it

962
00:47:00,579 --> 00:46:58,819
actually happened and and you know we

963
00:47:04,529 --> 00:47:00,589
don't unfortunately we don't get to see

964
00:47:07,539 --> 00:47:04,539
that very often anymore ya know in and I

965
00:47:10,779 --> 00:47:07,549
wouldn't have made the movie honestly if

966
00:47:12,849 --> 00:47:10,789
I wasn't going to to have them we were

967
00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:12,859
gonna do a flatwoods monster episode of

968
00:47:17,919 --> 00:47:15,799
Case Files that's how this started was

969
00:47:19,299 --> 00:47:17,929
that the movie originally was just

970
00:47:21,189 --> 00:47:19,309
opposed to this is supposed to be sort

971
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:21,199
of a special episode of that Case Files

972
00:47:26,889 --> 00:47:24,169
web series we were doing but once I was

973
00:47:29,709 --> 00:47:26,899
able to lock down ed and Fred into doing

974
00:47:31,409 --> 00:47:29,719
an interview then it became you know oh

975
00:47:33,669 --> 00:47:31,419
well let's make this a short form

976
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,679
documentary film like our other films

977
00:47:37,149 --> 00:47:35,599
and I mean it's it's crazy because it

978
00:47:40,419 --> 00:47:37,159
ended up being the most the most

979
00:47:42,729 --> 00:47:40,429
expensive project we've we've worked on

980
00:47:44,739 --> 00:47:42,739
I mean there's more expensive than than

981
00:47:47,739 --> 00:47:44,749
Mothman or invasion on Chestnut Ridge

982
00:47:49,419 --> 00:47:47,749
and and it's even it was it was more

983
00:47:52,479 --> 00:47:49,429
costly than the film are making right

984
00:47:55,569 --> 00:47:52,489
now so it definitely went beyond what we

985
00:47:57,789 --> 00:47:55,579
originally intended for it to be but I

986
00:48:00,009 --> 00:47:57,799
think it was in a positive way I mean it

987
00:48:01,929 --> 00:48:00,019
sort of took on a life of its own and

988
00:48:04,419 --> 00:48:01,939
and I was very important to me that I

989
00:48:08,229 --> 00:48:04,429
told the story in in the right way and

990
00:48:09,879 --> 00:48:08,239
in a way that I wanted to do it alright

991
00:48:11,769 --> 00:48:09,889
well we have to go to are on top of the

992
00:48:14,139 --> 00:48:11,779
hour break so when we come back we'll

993
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:14,149
continue with more exploring the bazaars

994
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:15,190
stay tuned

995
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,700
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

996
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:34,160
into the world of the paranoid

997
00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:37,470
strap yourself in as we traverse the

998
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:41,780
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

999
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:46,200
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

1000
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:50,370
as well as other dimensions it's time to

1001
00:48:57,110 --> 00:48:54,870
take back the night now your

1002
00:49:04,090 --> 00:48:57,120
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1003
00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:07,250
we're back on the air and that's that's

1004
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:09,380
what the matters here on exploring

1005
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:12,690
bizarre every week we bring you the best

1006
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:17,610
in paranormal and UFO discussion in

1007
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,850
anything that's on the fringe and

1008
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:22,440
tonight we're having a great show we're

1009
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:24,600
talking about cryptozoology we're

1010
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:27,240
talking about big acts and we're talking

1011
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:30,120
about flatwoods and the Minerva monster

1012
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:33,390
and the beast of Bray Road and our

1013
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:37,080
guests are Michael Mays and Seth

1014
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:39,530
Breedlove and associate you had a

1015
00:49:47,330 --> 00:49:42,800
question that you wanted to ask Michael

1016
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:47,340
sure yeah the the Minerva case Minerva

1017
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,200
monster case so so in minerva ohio for

1018
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,000
going back to the 70s there's always

1019
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:56,640
been sightings of large cats in that

1020
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:01,440
area particularly like large tabbies but

1021
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:05,640
but with the Minerva monster itself the

1022
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:08,730
Katyn the Katyn family always said that

1023
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:11,430
they saw this this creature the the

1024
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:12,900
bigfoot-like creature the Minerva

1025
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:16,440
monster accompanied by cats usually to

1026
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:17,880
cats

1027
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:22,980
there other accounts you're aware of

1028
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:26,250
where the two where bigfoot-type

1029
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,510
creatures and you know large cats or

1030
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:32,160
large felines where they're seen in the

1031
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:34,230
same general area are you we're aware of

1032
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:36,870
like other cases like that and and do

1033
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:39,330
you have any like theories or anything

1034
00:50:44,810 --> 00:50:41,460
you know thinking about how you think

1035
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:44,820
about that I haven't gotten any reports

1036
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:48,810
of any kind of a Sasquatch type creature

1037
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:53,040
being seen at the same time as a large

1038
00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:57,420
cat of any color now as far as being

1039
00:51:01,310 --> 00:50:59,310
seen in the same area you know you're

1040
00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:01,320
talking about River bottoms and marshes

1041
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,020
and and isolated patches of woods and

1042
00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:08,460
green belts and and things of that

1043
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:12,380
nature then yes they have been seen in

1044
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:15,990
in generally the same areas at different

1045
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:18,750
times more along the lines of what

1046
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:21,480
you're asking I have heard from time to

1047
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:26,460
time a theory that coyotes will follow

1048
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:30,090
or hang around these would Aves these

1049
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:33,900
these sasquatch creatures whether that's

1050
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:38,340
some sort of true relationship or

1051
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:39,870
whether they just realize that they'll

1052
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:42,210
be scraps to pick from after one of

1053
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:43,950
these Apes makes a kill or something

1054
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:46,980
like that I do not know but I've heard

1055
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,600
it more often

1056
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:50,940
in relation to Cain it's like like

1057
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:53,130
coyotes and I have with any kind of cat

1058
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,430
have-have there okay so to get real

1059
00:51:59,570 --> 00:51:58,380
inside baseball here and it's probably

1060
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:59,580
going to open us up to needing to

1061
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:01,050
explain what we're talking about but

1062
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:05,520
have there been sightings of any bobcat

1063
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:10,470
or or mountain lion in area X oh yeah

1064
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:12,450
absolutely okay

1065
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:17,700
we have several as a matter of fact lots

1066
00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:19,230
of Bobcat photos that they're not

1067
00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:22,320
unusual couple of mountain lions now

1068
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:24,060
they're traditional you know tawny

1069
00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:29,940
colored cats but we hadn't was an

1070
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:33,060
incident were our friend Paul you know

1071
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:36,690
Paul Bowman said yeah using a game

1072
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:39,060
caller and actually called one in thing

1073
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:41,490
hopped right down the middle of the dry

1074
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:43,170
creek bed they're looking for the

1075
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:45,060
squealing rabbit or pig or whatever Paul

1076
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:47,580
was playing at the time I've got a good

1077
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:48,540
look at him

1078
00:52:53,180 --> 00:52:51,380
we had one take a stroll right Duke

1079
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:53,190
basically right through cam

1080
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,410
a few years ago while I was there I

1081
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:57,780
watched it on the thermal across the

1082
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:01,440
trail probably 30 yards from from where

1083
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:04,740
we were set up the scariest incident

1084
00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:08,700
occurred a year or two ago this summer

1085
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:13,349
were one of our members overnight just

1086
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,180
decided to walk along you know we call

1087
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,119
it a road that's a pretty generous

1088
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:20,640
description of it down close to one of

1089
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:24,510
the creek crossings and he just I don't

1090
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:27,000
know if he heard something just a slight

1091
00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:31,470
sound but he turned to look and there

1092
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:35,990
was a mountain lion not 15 feet from him

1093
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:39,839
he fired he was carrying he was carrying

1094
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:41,880
on which was a shotgun or a rifle but he

1095
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:45,240
fired a shot in its general direction if

1096
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:49,020
I recall and it ran off at that time but

1097
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:51,450
so what would have happened had he

1098
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,490
glanced to his right instead of his left

1099
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,440
it's kind of scary to contemplate but

1100
00:54:02,900 --> 00:53:58,200
yeah we those cancer are out there for

1101
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:02,910
sure interesting all right you know okay

1102
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,849
so now Michael you've investigated other

1103
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,099
things besides the big cats I understand

1104
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:10,440
I mean yeah do you consider yourself an

1105
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:14,730
all-around cryptozoologist well I don't

1106
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:17,099
know about that I'm not even 100% sure

1107
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:22,440
what what that really means I started

1108
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:24,780
the blog my first interest was in the

1109
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:26,819
Bigfoot phenomenon and that that's what

1110
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:28,410
really held my interest since I was a

1111
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:31,079
kid and that's how I got involved with

1112
00:54:41,059 --> 00:54:36,150
an AWAC and started not know what is the

1113
00:54:44,059 --> 00:54:41,069
NWA CT nawa see that's the North

1114
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:44,069
American wood a Conservancy

1115
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,599
it's it's a a a research group trying

1116
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:51,780
their best to bring to light proof that

1117
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:54,569
these animals do exist that's kind of my

1118
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:56,730
first love as far as this kind of thing

1119
00:55:02,839 --> 00:55:01,140
goes but I I do have kind of many and

1120
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,849
varied interests which is what led me to

1121
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:04,800
kind of start the blog in the first

1122
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,230
place it was a place where I could

1123
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,540
discuss something other than the the

1124
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:11,760
Bigfoot mystery if I if I felt like it

1125
00:55:16,339 --> 00:55:14,910
and look into things and and you know

1126
00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:16,349
one thing led to another with the black

1127
00:55:21,289 --> 00:55:18,270
cat thing and that just really took off

1128
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:21,299
that seems to be what more people have

1129
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:23,900
had experiences with so that that's what

1130
00:55:31,059 --> 00:55:26,700
most of my correspondence is about but

1131
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:31,069
yeah I've looked into some other things

1132
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:34,470
these that the media calls them

1133
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:37,319
chupacabra but there oh yeah well cool

1134
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:40,410
without some kind of hair dolls that a

1135
00:55:44,839 --> 00:55:41,609
goat sucker

1136
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:44,849
well yeah it's interesting because you

1137
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:48,270
know that that myth originated in Latin

1138
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:52,940
America and specifically Puerto Rico and

1139
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:56,010
it was a very it was described as a very

1140
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,720
different looking creature than what

1141
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:00,000
people are calling chupacabra now it was

1142
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:04,559
say a reptilian kind of almost moved

1143
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,089
around like a kangaroo hopped around

1144
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:09,119
long claws big spikes on its back kind

1145
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:14,400
of big eyed bug-eyed thing and as as

1146
00:56:19,579 --> 00:56:16,530
some that Latin culture has moved

1147
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:19,589
northward and and as having more of a

1148
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:22,730
cultural influence you know here in

1149
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,410
Texas especially in the United States

1150
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:28,079
that the myth has come with them and but

1151
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,900
now they've latched on to the media

1152
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:32,640
specifically it's latched on to these

1153
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:37,410
these hairless doglike animals and

1154
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:39,270
they're they're they've dubbed them

1155
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,740
chupacabra they're actually very

1156
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:42,839
different looking animals than what was

1157
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:44,910
originally described down in Latin

1158
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:50,040
America well now I was gonna say that

1159
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:53,099
they look more like like dogs or jackals

1160
00:56:57,859 --> 00:56:55,619
or coyotes that have the main to me well

1161
00:57:00,740 --> 00:56:57,869
exactly now I've actually seen one of

1162
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:00,750
them but in Texas we call blue dogs

1163
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,569
because they're their skin is kind of

1164
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:06,119
this bluish gray almost elephant like is

1165
00:57:13,339 --> 00:57:09,630
what it looks it it most similarly looks

1166
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:13,349
like and I was with a friend of mine and

1167
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:15,000
Sam Houston national forests in

1168
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:17,430
Southeast Texas driving a forest service

1169
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:18,460
road and

1170
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:21,160
one of these guys kind of wandered

1171
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:23,710
across the road and and we got a really

1172
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:26,530
good look at it it it did walk into the

1173
00:57:30,089 --> 00:57:28,270
woods but it kind of froze it didn't

1174
00:57:33,089 --> 00:57:30,099
like run off to trolls

1175
00:57:35,579 --> 00:57:33,099
I guess the thinking that it was still

1176
00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:35,589
we wouldn't see it but we we pulled up

1177
00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:37,720
the spot and we observed it for several

1178
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:41,140
minutes before it finally walked off it

1179
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:46,780
was clearly at least to us a canine of

1180
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:49,390
some kind I it was a little big for a

1181
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:52,390
typical fox so it might have been a

1182
00:58:00,720 --> 00:57:56,319
coyote but yeah mangez is would be my

1183
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:00,730
best bet there I've heard that some

1184
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:03,790
people have shot them trapped them and

1185
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:05,790
they've done DNA testing and they're

1186
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:08,920
across of this and that but I've yet to

1187
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:11,099
actually lay eyes on any of those

1188
00:58:17,819 --> 00:58:14,740
reports that lay that out but that way

1189
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,829
so you know I'm a pretty open-minded guy

1190
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,319
but I haven't seen anything that makes

1191
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,720
me believe that what we're seeing when

1192
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:24,880
it comes to these blue dogs or they're

1193
00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:27,490
anything except pretty sick animals

1194
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:30,309
actually well but but how about the

1195
00:58:36,510 --> 00:58:33,640
reports of the the other type of a

1196
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,520
chupacabra with the scaly creatures and

1197
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:38,980
so well I mean do you think that there's

1198
00:58:45,809 --> 00:58:43,180
any truth to these sightings I mean this

1199
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,819
is a legitimate - phenomena or people

1200
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:48,160
are just you know making it up or

1201
00:58:55,319 --> 00:58:52,180
hallucinating or I see yeah I don't

1202
00:58:57,089 --> 00:58:55,329
think anybody's making things up it has

1203
00:59:01,160 --> 00:58:57,099
been my overwhelming experience whether

1204
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:01,170
we're talking about you know chupacabra

1205
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,609
incidents or Black Panthers or Bigfoot

1206
00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:06,720
or whatever you want to discuss that

1207
00:59:13,319 --> 00:59:11,079
most of the time people are not lying to

1208
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,329
you now sometimes they're mistaken if

1209
00:59:17,549 --> 00:59:15,520
that makes it but they're not lying to

1210
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:17,559
you I I in all these years I can count

1211
00:59:23,609 --> 00:59:19,990
on one hand the times where I felt like

1212
00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:23,619
somebody was intentionally trying to

1213
00:59:29,970 --> 00:59:25,960
mislead me and kind of take me down the

1214
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:29,980
rosy path you know moat there have been

1215
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:31,900
times when when I

1216
00:59:36,059 --> 00:59:33,849
I really felt like they misidentified

1217
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:36,069
something else the perfect example

1218
00:59:42,779 --> 00:59:39,970
several years ago talking to a lady said

1219
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:42,789
she had seen she had seen Bigfoot cross

1220
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,529
the road in front of her car and I said

1221
00:59:49,289 --> 00:59:46,480
okay describe it to me what you saw I

1222
00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:49,299
said well this big black thing came

1223
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:51,220
lumbering out of the woods it was I said

1224
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:52,900
was it on two legs for that she goes

1225
00:59:57,089 --> 00:59:54,490
it's on four legs that walked out to

1226
00:59:59,160 --> 00:59:57,099
know the road it stood up on two legs

1227
01:00:02,039 --> 00:59:59,170
looked at my car sniffed the air a

1228
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:02,049
couple times dropped down and then I'll

1229
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,180
back to all fours and shuffled off into

1230
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:06,160
woods I said well describe did you see

1231
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:08,680
the face yeah it was kind of a tan

1232
01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:10,990
around the nose and but it was black

1233
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:14,920
everywhere else and I really think she

1234
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:18,270
saw a black bear is what I think and

1235
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:20,440
it's just the black bears have been

1236
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:22,990
absent from Texas that part of Texas for

1237
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:25,270
a hundred years so people are actually

1238
01:00:30,029 --> 01:00:27,730
more of a familiar with what a sasquatch

1239
01:00:32,579 --> 01:00:30,039
is supposed to look like than they are

1240
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:32,589
with black bears that were truly native

1241
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:35,020
to the area but had been gone for a

1242
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:37,420
hundred years so she wasn't lying

1243
01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:40,690
she just that's the first labels she

1244
01:00:43,769 --> 01:00:42,460
sought to put on it I think she was

1245
01:00:46,769 --> 01:00:43,779
mistaken

1246
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:46,779
and so that's happened but I don't think

1247
01:00:51,210 --> 01:00:49,720
people for the most part or line you you

1248
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:51,220
can tell them someone just relieved to

1249
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:53,260
tell you to get something off there

1250
01:00:55,769 --> 01:00:53,710
Jenna

1251
01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:55,779
they don't don't really be when in the

1252
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:00,359
UFO field I can I can spot on my a mile

1253
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:04,569
away you know I mean not just you know

1254
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:07,380
some people just have a propensity to

1255
01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:10,990
spin a a yarn most of them not for

1256
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:14,349
harmful purposes but there's still it

1257
01:01:19,799 --> 01:01:17,250
kind of just muddies the the water now

1258
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:19,809
okay so you've got you've got this a

1259
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:23,520
category of the creature we call Bigfoot

1260
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,250
you have cases there in Texas oh yeah

1261
01:01:32,099 --> 01:01:29,680
yes sir yeah I I know they're all over

1262
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:32,109
yeah I mean we've had him here in Staten

1263
01:01:37,289 --> 01:01:35,710
Island I mean so yeah I just okay the

1264
01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:37,299
next question being any difference

1265
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:41,980
between mr. haire suit from Oregon and

1266
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:45,490
the one in Texas I believe they're the

1267
01:01:50,110 --> 01:01:46,330
same

1268
01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:50,120
species I according to reports the ones

1269
01:01:56,110 --> 01:01:54,560
in the South at least anecdotally just

1270
01:01:59,890 --> 01:01:56,120
glancing at the day that appeared to

1271
01:02:03,840 --> 01:01:59,900
maybe not be quite as large as the ones

1272
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:03,850
farther north of course there's a a

1273
01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:06,290
possible explanation for that it's the

1274
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,120
same reason that a lot of times the

1275
01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:09,920
white-tailed deer in the south are not

1276
01:02:14,590 --> 01:02:11,600
as large as a white-tailed deer in

1277
01:02:17,590 --> 01:02:14,600
Minnesota and it has to do something

1278
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:17,600
called Bergman's rule where the larger

1279
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,750
your body mass the easier just regulate

1280
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:22,400
temperature and the cold and things like

1281
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:23,930
that isn't that's just not a necessity

1282
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:28,030
down in the south so that could possibly

1283
01:02:36,340 --> 01:02:33,530
play into it a little bit but what I can

1284
01:02:37,630 --> 01:02:36,350
tell I haven't seen anything that I

1285
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:37,640
would lead me to believe that we're

1286
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:41,200
looking at at different species and all

1287
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:45,380
now okay you we've asked you before

1288
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:49,850
about the the the cats you say there's

1289
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:52,730
no no at the supernatural connection do

1290
01:02:59,680 --> 01:02:56,810
you see any of these creatures as being

1291
01:03:01,450 --> 01:02:59,690
something out of the well of course not

1292
01:03:03,490 --> 01:03:01,460
in the ordinary maybe it doesn't go far

1293
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:03,500
enough but out of the ordinary ordinary

1294
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:07,490
ordinary well I haven't seen anything

1295
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:10,130
personally nor have any of the guys in

1296
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:13,970
in in the group that would lead me to

1297
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:19,010
believe that something extraordinary was

1298
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:23,420
really going on I think when especially

1299
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:25,460
when it comes to the the Apes the the

1300
01:03:35,110 --> 01:03:31,850
the Bigfoot creatures they have they're

1301
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:35,120
supremely athletic if that makes sense

1302
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:38,710
incredibly fast incredibly strong and

1303
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:41,960
true masters their environment they

1304
01:03:48,790 --> 01:03:45,170
they're able to blend in and use in take

1305
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:48,800
cover and it's easy for me to see how

1306
01:03:55,690 --> 01:03:53,780
someone could say oh it just disappeared

1307
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:55,700
when in reality made just you know they

1308
01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:57,230
blinked and it you know that was the

1309
01:03:59,500 --> 01:03:58,850
they turn their head ever so slightly

1310
01:04:01,930 --> 01:03:59,510
and that's the

1311
01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:01,940
little break it took for it to get out

1312
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:04,390
of sight I mean they're amazingly fast

1313
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:09,410
from what we have observed and you know

1314
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:11,930
in that way I guess you know you're

1315
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:15,260
talking superhuman as far as their their

1316
01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:19,250
abilities but I you know this business

1317
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:23,120
you hear about oh we got zapped we've

1318
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:26,330
never experienced anything like that you

1319
01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:29,150
hear about people who are suddenly just

1320
01:04:34,660 --> 01:04:31,340
overwhelmed with this feeling of dread

1321
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:34,670
and terror and now there have been times

1322
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:38,180
when you've gotten a little afraid out

1323
01:04:42,340 --> 01:04:39,890
there but it wasn't this feeling that

1324
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:42,350
that people have described III just

1325
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:45,410
haven't experienced it so I'm not going

1326
01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:50,330
to call anyone who has a liar I'm just

1327
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:53,380
saying that based on my experience I

1328
01:04:58,590 --> 01:04:55,610
haven't seen anything that would lead me

1329
01:05:01,540 --> 01:04:58,600
to believe that they have any kind of

1330
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:01,550
supernatural abilities you know no doubt

1331
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:06,290
no you know well why don't we have why

1332
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:07,880
don't we have more why don't we have

1333
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:10,940
more of evidence and hair samples but

1334
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:14,210
we've got some obviously footprints that

1335
01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:17,690
have been left behind you know but why

1336
01:05:21,340 --> 01:05:19,430
don't we have any more evidence why

1337
01:05:24,190 --> 01:05:21,350
hasn't somebody either captured one or

1338
01:05:28,030 --> 01:05:24,200
or I'm sure there's enough farm people

1339
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:28,040
in Texas to bring down a number number

1340
01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:32,290
of a Bigfoot there well features there

1341
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:35,300
that's the mean not a question and and I

1342
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:37,070
probably don't have a satisfactory

1343
01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:41,330
answer for you what I can say is a big

1344
01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:45,080
part of the reason is because truthfully

1345
01:05:52,450 --> 01:05:49,630
nobody's looking you have a lot of

1346
01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:52,460
weekend warrior type groups where

1347
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:54,830
they'll go out for a Saturday and a

1348
01:05:59,680 --> 01:05:57,170
Sunday maybe if it's a long weekend you

1349
01:06:06,000 --> 01:05:59,690
know a third day and then they pack up

1350
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:06,010
and they go home and what we have

1351
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:10,940
learned is that the longer you stay the

1352
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:12,630
more agitated

1353
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,300
they seem to get and the more chances

1354
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:17,760
they seem to take most people just

1355
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:19,650
aren't around long enough that they've

1356
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:22,110
been conditioned to humans come in the

1357
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:26,010
woods for a weekend two three days maybe

1358
01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,570
a week at the most

1359
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:29,160
and then they pack up and they leave and

1360
01:06:33,590 --> 01:06:31,770
everything's back to normal when you get

1361
01:06:37,070 --> 01:06:33,600
in there grill and you just stay there

1362
01:06:39,110 --> 01:06:37,080
and you stay and you stay I really think

1363
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,120
that's the key and I think that's what's

1364
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:42,480
ultimately going to lead to us to the

1365
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,150
evidence that we're looking for and

1366
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:48,000
that's that's that's our big strategy in

1367
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:49,890
our main area of study we've had

1368
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:53,940
extended summer operations where we send

1369
01:07:01,550 --> 01:06:57,720
in teams of three four or five guys and

1370
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:01,560
they stay on location for a week new

1371
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:03,780
team comes in they stay on location for

1372
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:05,730
a week so we have a presence in this

1373
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:07,410
area where we believe these animals to

1374
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:11,520
be and and it seems like the longer

1375
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:13,770
we're in there the more activity gets

1376
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:15,720
picked up and there have been multiple

1377
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:19,280
visuals and lots of weird stuff

1378
01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:21,630
vocalizations rock-throwing all kinds of

1379
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:26,520
stuff like that and it seems to escalate

1380
01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:28,440
the longer that we're in there and we

1381
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:30,750
think the time for the make a mistake

1382
01:07:37,070 --> 01:07:34,100
how about people who say that they have

1383
01:07:37,930 --> 01:07:37,080
the ability to communicate with the

1384
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:37,940
Bigfoot

1385
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:42,570
well again I have my own experience to

1386
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:46,970
draw on it's I've never gotten a mental

1387
01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:51,150
message you know from anything nor have

1388
01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:54,840
anybody has anybody in our group that

1389
01:08:03,500 --> 01:07:59,250
I'm aware of I don't know what those

1390
01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:03,510
people have experienced I can't even

1391
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:04,800
theorize about it

1392
01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:08,310
but that's just not something that we

1393
01:08:15,350 --> 01:08:12,780
have experienced now Tim haven't we had

1394
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:15,360
people on the show who who claimed that

1395
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:18,090
they've even had like Bigfoot nests in

1396
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:22,110
their yard oh yeah I know there's a

1397
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:25,020
there's a woman in in Kentucky who has

1398
01:08:29,420 --> 01:08:26,580
claimed four year

1399
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:29,430
you know she kind of like feeding the

1400
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:31,470
Bears you know she'll put she'll put

1401
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:34,410
food out for them and bring them in and

1402
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,210
then and of course then there's the

1403
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:38,640
there's a few who will go and say that

1404
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:41,100
you know they have like telepathic

1405
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,450
communication right but you know I'm

1406
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:47,100
pretty dubious about things like that

1407
01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:48,839
simply because it seems like guys like

1408
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:54,240
me will get grilled by critics about why

1409
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,020
no photos why no evidence but the lady

1410
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:00,660
who's supposedly having them knocking on

1411
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:03,030
her door asking for garlic and things

1412
01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:04,430
like that

1413
01:09:10,310 --> 01:09:06,870
no one ever asked her how come she

1414
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:10,320
doesn't have a picture when supposedly

1415
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:12,170
they're like basically pets or

1416
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,839
habituated to her presence and in the

1417
01:09:19,099 --> 01:09:17,640
answer always seems to be like well they

1418
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,109
know what a camera is and they'll run

1419
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:21,120
off and they'll never trust me again or

1420
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,440
something along those lines but you know

1421
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:27,900
it just seems like the people that make

1422
01:09:33,490 --> 01:09:31,170
those sorts of claims don't seem to get

1423
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:33,500
questioned about evidence quite as much

1424
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:35,970
those of us who may be being a little

1425
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:40,020
more traditional in our approach yeah

1426
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:41,250
you would think that if these things

1427
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:43,770
were you know like as smart as as you

1428
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:46,140
know these people were saying that you

1429
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:47,370
know they'd be out there posing for

1430
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:50,010
selfies yeah no I mean what well you

1431
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:51,120
know what does a few what does a few

1432
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,640
pictures matter here there mm-hmm that's

1433
01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:58,620
what I think you know I Tim

1434
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:00,510
unfortunately you know we've got a break

1435
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,180
coming up in two minutes according to

1436
01:10:09,740 --> 01:10:04,980
bean here so we get a little bit more

1437
01:10:11,180 --> 01:10:09,750
time but and I don't know Michael if we

1438
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:11,190
have enough time for you to answer the

1439
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:13,980
question before you come back I'm

1440
01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:15,810
thinking about a case you know the big

1441
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:18,360
black cats in Australia where this

1442
01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:21,900
hunter shot what looked to be you know a

1443
01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:24,030
black panther I mean he even took a

1444
01:10:28,730 --> 01:10:26,070
picture of it after you know strung it

1445
01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:28,740
up the thing was bike you know maybe

1446
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:32,550
four feet long a little bit more with

1447
01:10:40,339 --> 01:10:35,340
his tail but when the DNA analysis was

1448
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:40,349
done on it it was as a domestic cat but

1449
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:42,690
big one so now do you think that maybe

1450
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:44,340
this is the same situation that may be

1451
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:47,159
going on I think you know elsewhere yeah

1452
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,540
I think it very well could be playing

1453
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:50,400
into we've got a huge feral cat problem

1454
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:54,480
in this country every little town across

1455
01:11:00,169 --> 01:10:57,510
the nations got a dog catcher no one's

1456
01:11:01,879 --> 01:11:00,179
doing anything about about cats and and

1457
01:11:03,919 --> 01:11:01,889
there's a whole chapter in the book

1458
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:03,929
about feral cats not very possibility

1459
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:06,360
you're talking about the Kurt Angle the

1460
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:08,369
Gillen Gippsland Panther it's what they

1461
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,530
nicknamed it it was basically the size

1462
01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:12,360
of a small leopard it was about sixty

1463
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:13,949
pounds and five and a half feet from

1464
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:16,679
nose to the tip of the tail it was just

1465
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:19,500
a monstrous cat but the DNA did come

1466
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:23,369
back as felis catus the domestic cat so

1467
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:26,820
I think that's a big moggy yeah I think

1468
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:28,770
it's absolutely a possibility that that

1469
01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:33,540
could be part of the puzzle all right

1470
01:11:37,339 --> 01:11:35,219
well we need to go to our bottom of the

1471
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:37,349
hour break here so we'll continue with

1472
01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:40,880
more exploring the bizarre

1473
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:54,160
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1474
01:12:00,240 --> 01:11:56,720
two of the most electrifying researchers

1475
01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:00,250
in the paranoia your hosts Timothy Becky

1476
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:07,810
all right welcome back to the final

1477
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:10,760
segment of exploring the bizarre and

1478
01:12:14,890 --> 01:12:13,070
Michael look like I wanted to continue

1479
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:14,900
that thread that we were talking about

1480
01:12:21,790 --> 01:12:17,180
before we had to go to the break about

1481
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:21,800
the the idea that you know feral

1482
01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:26,570
domestic cats could be getting big for

1483
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:31,400
some reason I mean you know what have

1484
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:33,140
you seen that do you think I mean I've

1485
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:36,290
seen some of the videos that were sent

1486
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:38,690
to you on your blog where you know some

1487
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:40,520
of these big like that could actually be

1488
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:43,400
you know like that an oversized domestic

1489
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:44,600
cat but I mean you know what do you

1490
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:46,430
think is going on here I mean how can

1491
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:51,010
you know I can't domestic cat get so big

1492
01:12:57,550 --> 01:12:53,990
well you know as far as the science

1493
01:12:59,230 --> 01:12:57,560
behind why boy you got me and how come

1494
01:13:02,020 --> 01:12:59,240
they all seem to be black that's another

1495
01:13:04,150 --> 01:13:02,030
great question you know I don't have an

1496
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:04,160
answer for that I do know as I mentioned

1497
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:07,010
before the break that we have a big

1498
01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:09,650
feral cat problem in this country and

1499
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,140
Ferrell's are mean and stuff that's

1500
01:13:20,170 --> 01:13:17,600
that's mean and and can take care of

1501
01:13:23,380 --> 01:13:20,180
itself tends to do very well and there's

1502
01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:23,390
no real incentive biologically for it to

1503
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:25,220
get smaller I mean sometimes you see

1504
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:28,850
this phenomenon in feral hogs too

1505
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:32,480
you know you talk about just a few

1506
01:13:35,950 --> 01:13:34,010
months and a domestic hogs goes

1507
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:35,960
completely feral and some of these guys

1508
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:38,210
are growing to be well over 300 pounds

1509
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:43,040
and why there's not much of a threat to

1510
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:46,550
them a lot of the Predators that might

1511
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,070
normally keep a population of hogs or

1512
01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:51,920
feral cats in this case in check a lot

1513
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:55,580
of those predators are gone now now down

1514
01:13:59,360 --> 01:13:56,780
here in our part of the world we still

1515
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,370
got quite a few coyotes but

1516
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:01,920
wolves are gone the Bears are gone the

1517
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:06,000
big cats are beginning to creep back in

1518
01:14:11,690 --> 01:14:10,050
it seems like a little bit but still you

1519
01:14:14,780 --> 01:14:11,700
know there's just not that check on the

1520
01:14:16,730 --> 01:14:14,790
population that there used to be so

1521
01:14:19,190 --> 01:14:16,740
maybe it's just a matter of that they

1522
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:19,200
are filling the niche that was left

1523
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,450
vacant by the larger predators and

1524
01:14:26,110 --> 01:14:23,400
they're growing larger in order to do

1525
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:26,120
that job but that's just speculation

1526
01:14:32,150 --> 01:14:28,650
right right what and then there's also

1527
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:32,160
the and and I'm not sure if I'm correct

1528
01:14:38,540 --> 01:14:35,820
what is that the jaguarundi my calling

1529
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:38,550
that right jaguarundi yes sir okay now I

1530
01:14:42,260 --> 01:14:40,290
see now there there's a few I had a big

1531
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:42,270
feline that I have to admit I've never

1532
01:14:47,210 --> 01:14:43,290
heard about before

1533
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,220
so what Oh what is that well it's it's a

1534
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:50,880
it's a small wild cat it's it's more

1535
01:14:58,730 --> 01:14:53,850
populous in Central America and up to

1536
01:15:03,800 --> 01:14:58,740
Mexico the accepted range it goes north

1537
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,810
into extreme South Texas no not really

1538
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:06,000
thought to go farther north and about

1539
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:09,330
the Corpus Christi area and along the

1540
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:11,490
coast there's a lot of anecdotal

1541
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:14,010
evidence that says that's not true but

1542
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:16,890
they're they're very unique looking cats

1543
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:20,400
they're they're almost otter or weasel

1544
01:15:26,690 --> 01:15:24,360
white they have very long bodies and

1545
01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:26,700
extremely long tail in some cases the

1546
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:29,000
tails almost as long as the entire body

1547
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:31,860
the head is kind of odd shaped it's kind

1548
01:15:37,820 --> 01:15:34,350
of flat that's what kind of gives it

1549
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:37,830
that otter like appearance and most

1550
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:39,690
people are like you they don't even know

1551
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:44,480
a jaguarundi exists and when they see it

1552
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:46,850
they're unfamiliar with it it's

1553
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:50,790
unmistakeably a cat of some kind and

1554
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,970
they do tend to be a little larger than

1555
01:15:58,730 --> 01:15:55,860
a domestic cat but they have this

1556
01:16:01,100 --> 01:15:58,740
elongated body where I feel like it's

1557
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:01,110
pretty easy to think that you're seeing

1558
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:05,100
a larger cat than you really are because

1559
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:07,770
they are hot-looking in again glut you

1560
01:16:11,709 --> 01:16:10,050
know glimpses of these things tend not

1561
01:16:13,630 --> 01:16:11,719
to last a long time

1562
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:13,640
and there's some anecdotal evidence that

1563
01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:16,880
they have expanded their range all along

1564
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:19,670
the Gulf Coast of the United States from

1565
01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:21,489
Texas all the way into Florida

1566
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:23,870
that's not accepted by mainstream

1567
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:26,540
science but there's photographs and a

1568
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:29,930
lot of evidence that would lead you to

1569
01:16:39,340 --> 01:16:32,449
believe that it's a possibility and they

1570
01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:39,350
do come in black is that usual color

1571
01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:42,230
black bates they're two color phases one

1572
01:16:48,939 --> 01:16:45,640
tends to be kind of a a reddish blond

1573
01:16:54,430 --> 01:16:48,949
kind of color and then there's a very

1574
01:16:58,840 --> 01:16:54,440
dark grey to black it varies a little

1575
01:17:00,850 --> 01:16:58,850
bit by where they are a lot of the

1576
01:17:02,770 --> 01:17:00,860
people say that the the jaguarundi that

1577
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:02,780
are down in the you say the Costa Rica

1578
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,250
area in the jungle they tend to be

1579
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:06,800
darker because the jungle is darker the

1580
01:17:10,810 --> 01:17:08,510
ones that live on more of a savanna

1581
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,820
grassland area will tend to be more the

1582
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:13,120
blondish red color to blend in there

1583
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:16,250
although both phases both both color

1584
01:17:20,530 --> 01:17:19,040
phases are found in both both

1585
01:17:24,430 --> 01:17:20,540
environments so it's not a hundred

1586
01:17:28,180 --> 01:17:24,440
percent but but they they do come in

1587
01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:28,190
black so I again you know if you look at

1588
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,230
this black panther phenomenon there's a

1589
01:17:36,459 --> 01:17:32,719
big puzzle I think there are a piece of

1590
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:36,469
the puzzle how big a piece remains to be

1591
01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:39,350
seen because some of the they just don't

1592
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:42,380
get that big you know a jaguarundi

1593
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:46,960
that weighed 30 pounds would be enormous

1594
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:49,790
in some of these descriptions you know

1595
01:17:54,010 --> 01:17:52,130
most often people compare them to their

1596
01:17:58,150 --> 01:17:54,020
dogs because that's what they have you

1597
01:18:00,459 --> 01:17:58,160
know to go by scale you know and they're

1598
01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:00,469
as big as a Weimaraner which is about 60

1599
01:18:05,620 --> 01:18:02,600
pounds or big my German Shepherd which

1600
01:18:08,170 --> 01:18:05,630
is 80 90 pounds they're as big as my

1601
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:08,180
black lab which is 90 or a hundred

1602
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:11,210
pounds great dane side you know you hear

1603
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:13,610
all these things and even if they're off

1604
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:16,810
a little bit in their estimation of size

1605
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:20,210
there's still much larger than what a

1606
01:18:25,129 --> 01:18:23,090
typical jaguarundi would be so I think

1607
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:25,139
in some cases

1608
01:18:32,009 --> 01:18:29,380
people probably did see a jaguarundi but

1609
01:18:33,959 --> 01:18:32,019
some of the some of the witnesses just

1610
01:18:36,859 --> 01:18:33,969
described cats that are just far too

1611
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:36,869
large to have been one of these animals

1612
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:40,239
well what is your what is your ultimate

1613
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:44,860
goal I mean is it to convince people

1614
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:46,900
that these cats are real or do you want

1615
01:18:52,469 --> 01:18:51,340
to capture wonder or what do you what

1616
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:52,479
would you like to see happen

1617
01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:54,610
well my ultimate goal would be just to

1618
01:18:58,109 --> 01:18:56,260
find out what the heck is going on what

1619
01:19:00,739 --> 01:18:58,119
are they I do believe there's a

1620
01:19:02,909 --> 01:19:00,749
biological entity of some kind that's

1621
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:02,919
responsible for these these sightings

1622
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:06,280
are Jaguars making a comeback now we

1623
01:19:10,649 --> 01:19:08,530
discuss weight again in the program a

1624
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:10,659
little bit about melanism we kind of

1625
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:13,630
touched on the genetics one important

1626
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,650
detail about Jaguars that they do

1627
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:19,360
display melanism it's thought to be in

1628
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:24,880
less than 10% however the gene for

1629
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:29,590
melanism is dominant so if you had a

1630
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:33,249
population that was kind of separated it

1631
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:37,570
got kind of set away from the bigger

1632
01:19:43,169 --> 01:19:40,300
breeding population down in Mexico and

1633
01:19:45,179 --> 01:19:43,179
Central America they were isolated maybe

1634
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,189
up here and kind of cut off from from

1635
01:19:50,189 --> 01:19:48,159
that other population and if there were

1636
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:50,199
melanistic individuals among that

1637
01:19:57,359 --> 01:19:53,320
population and they did breathe and

1638
01:20:00,330 --> 01:19:57,369
reproduce that dominant trait is going

1639
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:00,340
to exhibit itself in the phenotype it's

1640
01:20:04,949 --> 01:20:02,530
going to be you're gonna have black cats

1641
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:04,959
and over time they would become

1642
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:08,050
virtually all black and a lot of people

1643
01:20:11,879 --> 01:20:09,369
they ask well if they're Jaguars how

1644
01:20:13,620 --> 01:20:11,889
come we never see the Spotted kind and

1645
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:13,630
it's a valid question but that but

1646
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:17,679
that's the answer the genetic the allele

1647
01:20:24,989 --> 01:20:21,130
the gene for melanism is dominant so if

1648
01:20:27,899 --> 01:20:24,999
you have a population where that trait

1649
01:20:30,779 --> 01:20:27,909
is present and that population does not

1650
01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:30,789
have access to a larger population of

1651
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:35,260
regularly marked cats to breed with it's

1652
01:20:38,290 --> 01:20:36,760
not going to be long before they're

1653
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:38,300
virtually all black

1654
01:20:43,810 --> 01:20:41,080
so that's that's a possible explanation

1655
01:20:45,610 --> 01:20:43,820
but you had and you have there are

1656
01:20:47,230 --> 01:20:45,620
people who have written in to your blog

1657
01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:47,240
who have stayed in that you know they

1658
01:20:51,460 --> 01:20:49,910
were fairly close to these animals and

1659
01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:51,470
even though that they were black they

1660
01:20:58,900 --> 01:20:54,440
could still see their spots underneath

1661
01:21:01,180 --> 01:20:58,910
so I mean to me that's RBI wire it's

1662
01:21:05,530 --> 01:21:01,190
what it sounds like yeah absolutely that

1663
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:05,540
that just in if you will go online you

1664
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:07,490
can look at photos of melanistic Jags

1665
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:09,770
and in and you know you hear a lot from

1666
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:11,450
witness as well when the light hit the

1667
01:21:15,550 --> 01:21:13,070
light was it just right you could see

1668
01:21:17,470 --> 01:21:15,560
the spots you know under it and and that

1669
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:17,480
is the spots are still present on the

1670
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:20,090
melanistic Jaguar they're just obscured

1671
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:23,570
somewhat by the the color of the coat

1672
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:28,430
and but they're still there it's it's

1673
01:21:32,170 --> 01:21:30,590
interesting and that's one of those

1674
01:21:34,030 --> 01:21:32,180
little details that sometimes you'll

1675
01:21:36,850 --> 01:21:34,040
hear from a witness you you had

1676
01:21:38,650 --> 01:21:36,860
mentioned one of you had mentioned about

1677
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:38,660
the UFO witnesses how you can spot a

1678
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:41,210
fraud you know pretty easily through

1679
01:21:45,070 --> 01:21:43,130
experience and and there are little

1680
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:45,080
subtle details that you listen for and

1681
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:46,250
every now and then you'll get a nugget

1682
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:48,830
that you just think okay that rings true

1683
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:50,930
and that that's one of those things that

1684
01:22:00,880 --> 01:21:57,050
does well uh speaking of of UFO

1685
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:00,890
witnesses I wanted to ask Seth here I

1686
01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:05,120
saw the the film that you did with woody

1687
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:08,060
woody derenberger his daughter and I I

1688
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:10,970
was really impressed with that and again

1689
01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:12,410
this is one of these situations where

1690
01:22:17,530 --> 01:22:14,420
I'm really happy that you're able to

1691
01:22:20,110 --> 01:22:17,540
find these people and and talk to them

1692
01:22:22,780 --> 01:22:20,120
because you know woody is kind of like

1693
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:22,790
almost like a sideline story to the

1694
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:28,400
whole Mothman Point Pleasant experiences

1695
01:22:33,850 --> 01:22:31,490
and you it you interviewed his daughter

1696
01:22:35,290 --> 01:22:33,860
and I mean she just comes right out and

1697
01:22:37,330 --> 01:22:35,300
said yeah this stuff actually happened

1698
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:37,340
you know cuz there's so many there's so

1699
01:22:41,650 --> 01:22:39,860
many skeptics and detractors you know to

1700
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,660
Woody's stories like oh well you know

1701
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:43,760
he's just another another Charlotte and

1702
01:22:51,790 --> 01:22:47,930
yet yet here you have his daughter who I

1703
01:22:55,420 --> 01:22:51,800
mean well reason would she have the lie

1704
01:22:58,540 --> 01:22:55,430
at this point in her life sure yeah and

1705
01:23:00,580 --> 01:22:58,550
that was uh that was really a stroke of

1706
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:00,590
luck that I was able to make that short

1707
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:04,400
because she she's she was actually I

1708
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:05,900
don't think she's there now but she was

1709
01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:08,030
actually in a home

1710
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:11,990
only about 40 maybe 35 40 minutes from

1711
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:14,900
my house so I was able to drive less

1712
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:16,970
than an hour and shoot that interview

1713
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:21,920
and edit that short film so yeah and and

1714
01:23:26,020 --> 01:23:24,320
it is a cool little like rabbit trail

1715
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:26,030
from the MAS being a Point Pleasant and

1716
01:23:31,450 --> 01:23:29,540
that's been the most viewed episode of

1717
01:23:34,210 --> 01:23:31,460
Case Files which I which I'm happy about

1718
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:34,220
as well so it's I mean it Woody's

1719
01:23:40,510 --> 01:23:37,940
stories is I wouldn't say it's integral

1720
01:23:43,210 --> 01:23:40,520
to the to the moss man's story at all

1721
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:43,220
but it does sort of illustrate the fact

1722
01:23:49,150 --> 01:23:45,890
that there was a lot more going on

1723
01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:49,160
around West Virginia during 66 and 67

1724
01:23:56,140 --> 01:23:52,180
than just you know the Mothman sightings

1725
01:23:58,810 --> 01:23:56,150
and and that that the events that were

1726
01:24:01,890 --> 01:23:58,820
going on seemed to have been you know

1727
01:24:04,930 --> 01:24:01,900
much more than than simply some sort of

1728
01:24:06,340 --> 01:24:04,940
wing it humanoid that you know people

1729
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:06,350
were seeing around Point Pleasant

1730
01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:10,460
well woody was quite a character I spent

1731
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:15,260
some time with him and well I don't know

1732
01:24:19,810 --> 01:24:17,450
if you would call the fellow his manager

1733
01:24:22,630 --> 01:24:19,820
but there was a fellow who put up like

1734
01:24:25,210 --> 01:24:22,640
money for the book and I kind of made

1735
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:25,220
sure that well there were some people

1736
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:27,410
who just wanted to see woody I get out

1737
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:29,930
there and tell his his story because I

1738
01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:32,090
guess basically they they they thought

1739
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:34,340
he was pretty sincere about it but it

1740
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:36,850
got to be a pretty wild there at the

1741
01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:40,280
some some points or a lot of things that

1742
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:43,790
were going on sort of behind the behind

1743
01:24:50,770 --> 01:24:48,010
the scenes but most people felt that

1744
01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:50,780
there were there was something that he

1745
01:24:57,310 --> 01:24:54,020
had you know inexperienced and maybe he

1746
01:24:59,410 --> 01:24:57,320
added a little bit of southern charm to

1747
01:25:03,250 --> 01:24:59,420
it then and and spun the yarn a little

1748
01:25:05,649 --> 01:25:03,260
bit bigger than it that I might have

1749
01:25:09,129 --> 01:25:05,659
been but I don't think too many people

1750
01:25:11,709 --> 01:25:09,139
doubt that he really did have this yeah

1751
01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:11,719
the experience the initial experience

1752
01:25:16,989 --> 01:25:14,989
initial yeah yeah and and and also too

1753
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:16,999
there were there were people who felt

1754
01:25:27,549 --> 01:25:25,489
the presence of mr. mr. Cole so yeah I

1755
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:27,559
liked about what I liked about their

1756
01:25:34,029 --> 01:25:31,550
story so much is the I mean this is what

1757
01:25:36,850 --> 01:25:34,039
draws me not to any story is the human

1758
01:25:40,270 --> 01:25:36,860
sort of element and with that story I

1759
01:25:42,219 --> 01:25:40,280
was really I was really drawn to it

1760
01:25:44,409 --> 01:25:42,229
because of the fact that I mean he has

1761
01:25:48,909 --> 01:25:44,419
this encounter with someone claiming to

1762
01:25:51,759 --> 01:25:48,919
be from from outer space and then it's

1763
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:51,769
landless and it proceeds to completely

1764
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:54,169
destroy his life I mean at the end of it

1765
01:25:59,919 --> 01:25:57,050
you know when it's all over his his

1766
01:26:02,409 --> 01:25:59,929
wife's run off with you know it leaves

1767
01:26:04,919 --> 01:26:02,419
him and she's she's living up in Ohio

1768
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:04,929
and and the family's kind of split and

1769
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:08,449
Tonya didn't talk to her father until

1770
01:26:14,469 --> 01:26:11,689
she was in her teens after that she

1771
01:26:16,779 --> 01:26:14,479
drove one day she just randomly decided

1772
01:26:18,339 --> 01:26:16,789
I need to see my dad and this was she

1773
01:26:20,739 --> 01:26:18,349
hadn't seen him in like 8 years and she

1774
01:26:23,109 --> 01:26:20,749
drove down to West Virginia just to see

1775
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:23,119
him I mean yeah I think I think he

1776
01:26:27,879 --> 01:26:24,860
started putting his life back together

1777
01:26:30,779 --> 01:26:27,889
after a while but but to me it was it

1778
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:30,789
was really the tragic sort of

1779
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:34,639
disillusion of this family at the you

1780
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:38,719
know at the expense of of whatever I'm

1781
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,729
not even sure with its at the expense of

1782
01:26:45,729 --> 01:26:43,130
but this one event sort of triggered

1783
01:26:48,819 --> 01:26:45,739
this this tragedy that ends up sort of

1784
01:26:52,449 --> 01:26:48,829
splitting his family apart well you know

1785
01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:52,459
we did our own crypto a dead book of

1786
01:26:58,419 --> 01:26:55,900
recently weird winged wonders and I

1787
01:27:01,899 --> 01:26:58,429
discussed in there about you know John

1788
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:01,909
keel and how he got involved in

1789
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:04,400
investigating the the Mothman

1790
01:27:11,379 --> 01:27:08,329
it was a certainly a case of a baton

1791
01:27:15,459 --> 01:27:11,389
that's which he had gone down to West

1792
01:27:17,739 --> 01:27:15,469
Virginia at the request of a surrogate

1793
01:27:18,970 --> 01:27:17,749
that he worked for a newspaper agency

1794
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:18,980
that said

1795
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:20,570
Cayden some of his articles around the

1796
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:23,450
country there was a story about a flying

1797
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:26,570
cat Tom the flying cat so he actually

1798
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:28,370
went down there and they paid his

1799
01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:32,120
expenses to to investigate the rumors of

1800
01:27:36,729 --> 01:27:34,340
this attack which really did exist the

1801
01:27:39,070 --> 01:27:36,739
cat had had wings made it up to New York

1802
01:27:40,750 --> 01:27:39,080
not by flying I guess in the head and

1803
01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:40,760
and an airplane er there was a lawsuit

1804
01:27:47,290 --> 01:27:44,060
over the cat and the whole thing but

1805
01:27:49,150 --> 01:27:47,300
while he was down there he that's when

1806
01:27:51,670 --> 01:27:49,160
the the Mothman that first appeared and

1807
01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:51,680
he heard about it and ended up going it

1808
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:54,860
to the TNT area and interviewing some of

1809
01:28:02,830 --> 01:27:57,770
the people that were involved but it all

1810
01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:02,840
started over a flying cat and so we tell

1811
01:28:09,010 --> 01:28:05,420
the story and the weird winged wonders

1812
01:28:13,630 --> 01:28:09,020
book along with many other tales of from

1813
01:28:16,650 --> 01:28:13,640
the Twilight Zone of cryptozoology hey

1814
01:28:18,010 --> 01:28:16,660
guys my bias had the question please do

1815
01:28:20,410 --> 01:28:18,020
Seth

1816
01:28:23,860 --> 01:28:20,420
love these guys you know going back to

1817
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:23,870
the Mothman story you know there's this

1818
01:28:28,510 --> 01:28:26,450
belief that it's a the appearance of

1819
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:28,520
this creature is like a bad omen

1820
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:30,770
something terrible's gonna happen and

1821
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:32,930
they've tied it in to the collapse of

1822
01:28:40,330 --> 01:28:36,890
the Silver Bridge there we'll put any

1823
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:40,340
kind of stock in that at all did the

1824
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:44,300
people I saw don't that yeah I don't

1825
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:47,330
like on a personal level I don't tie

1826
01:28:52,930 --> 01:28:51,110
them together but mostly because I don't

1827
01:28:54,940 --> 01:28:52,940
think the sighting stopped after the

1828
01:28:56,770 --> 01:28:54,950
bridge bridge collapse it'd be one thing

1829
01:28:59,800 --> 01:28:56,780
if like the sightings just completely

1830
01:29:01,870 --> 01:28:59,810
stopped after the bridge collapse but

1831
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:01,880
they didn't and and people were still

1832
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:05,120
reporting it in the weeks to follow so

1833
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:10,010
that's one thing and then the people no

1834
01:29:19,210 --> 01:29:14,480
one that I talked to really tied the the

1835
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:19,220
bridge collapsed to bear sighting of the

1836
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:21,590
Mothman other than and and I didn't

1837
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,210
interview her but I do think Linda

1838
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:24,800
Scarberry might have felt there was a

1839
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,770
connection but as far as like the the

1840
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:30,080
witnesses I interviewed or the witnesses

1841
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:31,800
I've spoken to

1842
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:34,770
of them really really did tied in now

1843
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:38,910
one thing about the Mothman that that is

1844
01:29:45,650 --> 01:29:40,860
interesting is that so many of the

1845
01:29:48,980 --> 01:29:45,660
people we did talk to described it in a

1846
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:48,990
way that would be supernatural the the

1847
01:29:53,810 --> 01:29:50,550
most common thing we heard was that it

1848
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:53,820
was some sort of demon the and and that

1849
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,860
kept coming up like that constantly was

1850
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:57,780
coming up in witnesses we spoke to us

1851
01:30:03,440 --> 01:29:58,890
that they felt like they were seeing

1852
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:03,450
something supernatural or demonic or I

1853
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:06,120
mean I mean I always forget her name

1854
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:09,510
Marcella Marcella Bennett said in in an

1855
01:30:13,610 --> 01:30:11,100
interview that she thought she was

1856
01:30:14,990 --> 01:30:13,620
actually looking at Satan so I always

1857
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:15,000
thought that was interesting and and

1858
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:17,340
because this is like with the Mothman

1859
01:30:25,340 --> 01:30:20,250
it's it's one of these stories where I

1860
01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:25,350
really don't see how they're I I don't

1861
01:30:29,150 --> 01:30:27,420
necessarily see how it could have been a

1862
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:29,160
misidentification because of how many

1863
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:32,400
sightings were taking place around the

1864
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:34,310
area I do think there were

1865
01:30:39,140 --> 01:30:36,600
misidentification of owls but when

1866
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,150
you're dealing with you know up upwards

1867
01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:41,460
of 200 sightings of this thing I just

1868
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:43,560
don't necessarily think that all those

1869
01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:46,770
settings are of an owl so it's but I

1870
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:48,060
always did think it was interesting how

1871
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:50,040
so many of the original witnesses

1872
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:52,380
described what they saw as being like

1873
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:54,570
demonic or something like that but as

1874
01:31:00,940 --> 01:30:56,610
but as for like tying the bridge

1875
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:00,950
collapse to the the Mothman that I I

1876
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:03,390
personally have a have a hard time doing

1877
01:31:08,990 --> 01:31:05,940
it I just don't see the connection other

1878
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:09,000
than the flood it was there I I think

1879
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:11,070
we're going to tie the boss man to the

1880
01:31:15,980 --> 01:31:13,110
end of the show because we only have a

1881
01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:15,990
few minutes left Tim and you know what

1882
01:31:20,030 --> 01:31:16,680
that means

1883
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:20,040
well that's right we need to go around

1884
01:31:26,510 --> 01:31:23,400
the table here and get whatever

1885
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:26,520
information that we can in the remaining

1886
01:31:32,210 --> 01:31:30,060
time that we have so that our listeners

1887
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:32,220
and this they like visit our guest

1888
01:31:36,860 --> 01:31:34,530
websites check out their book that sort

1889
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:36,870
of thing so why don't we why don't we

1890
01:31:40,820 --> 01:31:38,310
start with Michael here Michael where

1891
01:31:41,770 --> 01:31:40,830
can our listeners find out more about

1892
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:41,780
you

1893
01:31:50,150 --> 01:31:45,330
well I blog the addresses Texas

1894
01:31:52,970 --> 01:31:50,160
cryptid hunter dot blog spot.com you can

1895
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:52,980
go there and i've got years and years

1896
01:31:55,940 --> 01:31:54,690
worth of posts up there you'll find out

1897
01:31:59,870 --> 01:31:55,950
more about me than you ever care to

1898
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,880
probably as far as the books there are

1899
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:01,920
links to the books up i've written there

1900
01:32:06,970 --> 01:32:04,050
the latest one the shadowcats book about

1901
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:06,980
the black panther phenomenons available

1902
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:09,450
amazon barnes and noble you know the

1903
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:12,330
usual online places and there is a

1904
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,010
direct link at the blog you could hit

1905
01:32:18,860 --> 01:32:16,260
that I do have a girl starting college

1906
01:32:20,900 --> 01:32:18,870
in the fall so I'd be most appreciative

1907
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:20,910
of anyone who might pick up one or a

1908
01:32:23,630 --> 01:32:22,890
dozen copies that would be really really

1909
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:23,640
nice

1910
01:32:28,670 --> 01:32:26,940
so but that that's where you can find me

1911
01:32:30,980 --> 01:32:28,680
and there's an email address there as

1912
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:30,990
well that you can contact me directly if

1913
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:34,770
you care to alright and it's and it's a

1914
01:32:41,450 --> 01:32:38,280
very good you've gotten a lot of really

1915
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:41,460
good reviews for it and I'm very pleased

1916
01:32:46,220 --> 01:32:44,130
yes I do well yeah I do recommend that

1917
01:32:49,220 --> 01:32:46,230
anyone iterators from this subject you

1918
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:49,230
know go out and and get this book and

1919
01:32:54,530 --> 01:32:51,930
and set what about you where can people

1920
01:32:59,540 --> 01:32:54,540
right now go and see the flatwoods

1921
01:33:03,950 --> 01:32:59,550
monster it's streaming on on Amazon and

1922
01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:03,960
Vimeo on demand along with a bunch of

1923
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:06,270
our other movies Mothman appoint

1924
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:07,890
pleasant and invasion on Chestnut Ridge

1925
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:10,170
are both free through Amazon Prime right

1926
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:15,510
now right love love this rich thank you

1927
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:17,520
yeah that's yes I think I think that's

1928
01:33:21,710 --> 01:33:19,560
our best from a technical standpoint my

1929
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:21,720
favorites Moss man but but technically I

1930
01:33:27,230 --> 01:33:23,970
think we grew a lot with invasion but um

1931
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:27,240
yeah you can buy DVDs through shop small

1932
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:31,440
town monsters calm and and the group the

1933
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:33,780
nawa see if you want to learn more about

1934
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:35,730
the group that there's Michael and I are

1935
01:33:43,700 --> 01:33:41,340
both members of that's what a torg and

1936
01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:43,710
and what's what did you say earlier that

1937
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:48,270
the bill be just currently finished the

1938
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:50,490
film we just finished well the next one

1939
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:53,400
we have coming out is champ on the trail

1940
01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:55,290
champ that comes out June 16th

1941
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:57,480
it'll be streaming premiere the

1942
01:34:01,450 --> 01:33:59,280
streaming premiere takes place at vide

1943
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:01,460
dot space which is Nick Groff and

1944
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:04,110
Elizabeth Saints new streaming platform

1945
01:34:10,130 --> 01:34:06,290
and then it will move to Amazon in July

1946
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:10,140
and then in sometime later this year

1947
01:34:15,650 --> 01:34:12,570
probably around November we are putting

1948
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:15,660
out the Bray Road beast which is our our

1949
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:17,400
retelling of the beast of Bray Road

1950
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:20,970
stories with some dramatic new twists

1951
01:34:25,310 --> 01:34:23,310
that we turned up while viewer while we

1952
01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:25,320
were making the movie so you will not

1953
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:27,030
want to miss that because we found some

1954
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:30,060
some really fascinating pieces of that

1955
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:31,820
story that have never been to left work

1956
01:34:36,860 --> 01:34:34,170
it's some great great stuff we've

1957
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:36,870
covered and I want to thank our guests

1958
01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:39,810
for being on this evening and of course

1959
01:34:44,030 --> 01:34:42,270
the show will be up in the archives here

1960
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:44,040
in just a little while at ke cor

1961
01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:47,430
radio.com and don't forget our YouTube

1962
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:48,240
channel

1963
01:34:57,620 --> 01:34:54,090
mister UFOs secret files we have two a

1964
01:35:00,260 --> 01:34:57,630
tribute shows that we put up there a

1965
01:35:03,170 --> 01:35:00,270
Peter of the put up there a few to

1966
01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:03,180
Barnard for us over the last few days

1967
01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:06,780
and tribute to our great friend the late

1968
01:35:15,820 --> 01:35:11,550
Brad stager yep and we have got a new

1969
01:35:26,210 --> 01:35:15,830
book that has just hit the shelves UFO

1970
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:26,220
hostilities and it's a massive nickel

1971
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:27,810
and a Nikola Tesla book that you're

1972
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:31,710
finishing tonight that's right and more

1973
01:35:38,150 --> 01:35:35,280
material yeah yeah well I wouldn't say I

1974
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:38,160
did get my UFO hostilities book today a

1975
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:42,930
wonderful looking book right 457 pages

1976
01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:44,970
that alien comes in just swipe them with

1977
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:48,060
this man and they'll knock him right to

1978
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:52,530
the ground anyway go to mr. UFOs secret

1979
01:35:58,010 --> 01:35:54,930
files on YouTube and look us up on

1980
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:58,020
Amazon type in inner light eh global

1981
01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:04,690
you've been listening to exploring the

1982
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:08,150
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and

1983
01:36:13,690 --> 01:36:11,420
two swaths they're taking back the

1984
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:13,700
Knights by jetting non-stop across the

1985
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:16,250
cosmos in search of the truly bizarre

1986
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,550
and totally unexplained with you as

1987
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:21,199
their combined

1988
01:36:31,839 --> 01:36:29,409
on the K cor digital ravine

1989
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:31,849
for more information on exploring the

1990
01:36:37,569 --> 01:36:34,880
bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley

1991
01:36:40,779 --> 01:36:37,579
Antonis walks check out their kco our

1992
01:36:46,810 --> 01:36:40,789
digital radio network follow their